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Old 18th March 2013, 09:06 PM   #51
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I tested a lot of linux flavors and distros and was not too pleased with what I got. As it was for playing music I tested Voyage MPD and mpdPuP, but I was still not satisfied... But I was aware of the fact that I then needed to adapt to what others had defined.. So I took the big job to learn and then modify kernel source code and compile my own kernels, to build the base system with debootstrap and setup everything manually, to modify the MPD source code and compile etc.. In the end I had a linux system totally customized for me and my own use - and was satisfied..

So my advice are: Either you use a linux distro that works with very little knowledge and you must accept what others have defined, or you use time and learn enough to build your own customized linux..
A much simpler solution:

1) Install Linux Mint 14 XFCE Build

2) Upgrade to Kernel 3.7.4 (there are scripts available which make it dead simple)

3) Install DeaDBeeF

4) Configure DeaDBeeF output options as per your preferences, which allows full control of the hardware (ie. direct harware output with no software conversions)

5) Enjoy full-speed, bit perfect, USB2Audio and 100% system stability
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Old 18th March 2013, 09:10 PM   #52
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There was a chance of gaining desktop usage reputability on linux side during "Windose Vista" days but it didn't happen. Somehow, linux can't match desktop usability of windows. Maybe, it is related with that graphical user interface is part of windows kernel, rather than a third party user application like all linux distributions. It's almost one and half decades that linux distros promoting PC usage but yet it hasn't accomplished properly basic desktop operations like drag-ing and drop-ing files (dnd).

When you just want to pick up and drop a file icon one from file browser window to another one, you'll see that file browser window rises and gets focus permanently and covers other one which you are going to drop the file. You have to cancel operation and move the windows separate places for not covering each other. This problem still exists.
You are complaining about a feature of your choice of desktop environment or window manager, not about Linux.

There are many, many choices of desktop environments in Linux, so do not judge Linux by a single experience with one of those options. You are judging the desktop environment and then making statements about Linux. Ridiculous.
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Old 18th March 2013, 10:03 PM   #53
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That is just the way it is.
What? You mean that's the way it was handed down from Mount Olympus?

The whole point is that it could be different, but as long as people keep shrugging, shaking their heads and saying 'That is just the way it is', then that's the way it's going to stay.

The unfortunate truth is that Linux guys keep it that way, because they like it that way, because it gives them the opportunity to blather on about the hours they spent learning to work it. Nobody gives a damn. We just want you to commit to getting it changed. Verstehen Sie?
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Old 18th March 2013, 10:26 PM   #54
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What? You mean that's the way it was handed down from Mount Olympus?

The whole point is that it could be different, but as long as people keep shrugging, shaking their heads and saying 'That is just the way it is', then that's the way it's going to stay.

The unfortunate truth is that Linux guys keep it that way, because they like it that way, because it gives them the opportunity to blather on about the hours they spent learning to work it. Nobody gives a damn. We just want you to commit to getting it changed. Verstehen Sie?
Your perspective on this is indeed quite unique. Do you really think this way, or are you trolling?

It always surprises me when I see people whining about Linux being difficult to use. My daughters are 10 and 11 years old and have been using Linux since they were 2 and 3. They have no problem using it. My wife uses it as well. She loves it.

This notion that Linux is difficult to use is pure rubbish.

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Old 18th March 2013, 10:43 PM   #55
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You are complaining about a feature of your choice of desktop environment or window manager, not about Linux.

There are many, many choices of desktop environments in Linux, so do not judge Linux by a single experience with one of those options.
I'm just giving a simple specific example. I could add many. So, you give me an example of desktop environment that situation doesn't exist on it. LXDE? XFCE? RazorQT? Mate? Cinnamon? E17? Actually, I have no a specific desktop environment addiction. A simple mplayer script takes care of my playback needs.

My criticism is related with how linux distributions interact with users rather than linux kernel. Linux is the name of the kernel.

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Old 18th March 2013, 10:44 PM   #56
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My daughters are 10 and 11 years old and have been using Linux since they were 2 and 3. They have no problem using it. My wife uses it as well. She loves it.

This notion that Linux is difficult to use is pure rubbish.
Hehe, probably your kids & wife got super power ?

Just kidding, but : using a desktop it not difficult, finding the best distro among 100, the best audio setup with Linux and installing it properly is not so easy unfortunately ...

In a way, EAC and MP3TAG are not so user friendly too, but they are easy to install.

You say "There are many, many choices of desktop environments in Linux" : Indeed there are way too much, and everyone with good intents will get lost in there, and anyway it is not the key point of Linux Audio optimization.

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Old 18th March 2013, 10:46 PM   #57
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This notion that Linux is difficult to use is pure rubbish.
If even me can use and configure it it must be simple.
What should impress even the most sceptical these days is to play around with a distro and use something comfortable like the "Ubuntu-Software-Center"
You donīt have to know anything. Look what kind of software you want click it and it magically installs itself.

If i have some boretime to fill i play with the OS itself.
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Old 18th March 2013, 10:58 PM   #58
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I'm just giving a simple specific example. I could add many. So, you give me an example of desktop environment that situation doesn't exist on it. LXDE? XFCE? RazorQT? Mate? Cinnamon? E17? Actually, I have no a specific desktop environment addiction. A simple mplayer script takes care of my playback needs.

My criticism is related with how linux distributions interact with users rather than linux kernel. Linux is the name of the kernel.
Each distribution has a default or preferred desktop environment, but that does not limit someone to using it.

I actually do not know which of the desktop environments support drag and drop, because I learned to right-click when I was 14 or 15. I am 43 now, so it has been quite some time before drag n' drop was an essential feature for me. Hmm, let me think.... Yes, it was in Commodore GEOS that I last dragged n' dropped anything...

However, the point is that some people still do this and yes, it should work. Like I said, I do not know (or care, frankly) which linux desktop environments support the feature and which ones do not, but I would be willing to make a considerable wager that it is not that difficult to find one that does.
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Old 18th March 2013, 11:03 PM   #59
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What? You mean that's the way it was handed down from Mount Olympus?
It was a statement of agreement with what gk7 said in the post above. Read the whole post again
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Old 18th March 2013, 11:05 PM   #60
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Hehe, probably your kids & wife got super power ?

Just kidding, but : using a desktop it not difficult, finding the best distro among 100, the best audio setup with Linux and installing it properly is not so easy unfortunately ...
But it is. See post #51.

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In a way, EAC and MP3TAG are not so user friendly too, but they are easy to install.

You say "There are many, many choices of desktop environments in Linux" : Indeed there are way too much, and everyone with good intents will get lost in there, and anyway it is not the key point of Linux Audio optimization.

BR
Correct. It is not the key point of Linux audio optimization. On the other hand, some desktop environments make a lot more sense than others on a music server, due to resource usage, etc.

For what it is worth, for the purposes of a music server I prefer something lightweight, fast, simple, and stable. XFCE fits the bill. Running KDE, Gnome, Cimmamon, etc. is a waste of resources, in my opinion.
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