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i2k92 11th January 2012 04:52 AM

New audio player software : JPlay
 
I just test this new Windows software and think I need to share my impression here. Download here : JPLAY - hi-end audio player for Windows . Please note that I'm in no way affiliated with the developer, so this is not a marketing post.

I used Foobar2K for years and have tested other like Jriver, Mediamonkey, etc and always come back to Foobar for lot of different reasons (SQ, usability, etc). Last night I tested Jplay and I think I cannot live without it anymore (means I will have less 99 euros on my bank account).

Compared to my foobar setup, JPlay has more "body", spaciousness and details. And that's with my fairly simple setup, I believe it will shows more of its' potential on better system. And that's on it's default setup, I haven't played around with more advanced settings. It is clear that it force the system to concentrate all of its' CPU power and RAM to play music only as while the music is playing, the PC become very slow and less responsive.

It can run as independent application with minimalist GUI or as foobar component, so I still have the usability of Foobar (interface, library, etc). There are many so-called audiophile player (ulilith, cplay, etc). But their user interface are barely usable for my needs. It can also work with JRiver and iTunes :eek: (not tested yet).

Bad side (tested with Foobar only) :
  1. No gapless playback (because it is a memory player, I suppose)
  2. It is not interfaced well with Foobar uPNP component. The renderer function doesn't work, it cannot retrieve songs from uPNP server. So for know I have to stick with foobar HTTP interface to remotely control it.
  3. Not free :(

Will see how JPlay compares to PurePlayer (another one I like very much, but lacking on the interface side). It will be great if the developer of Pureplayer takes the same approach with Jplay to integrate with other music library program.

bambadoo 11th January 2012 06:26 AM

Have you tried foobar with wasapi and big buffer size together with fidelizer? (under advanced in properties. "Full file buffering set to ie 300000kB)

erin 11th January 2012 07:48 AM

I don't even have to try it to know that it wont sound better than CMP cPlay which does do gapless playback. It is free. Which is 99 Euro cheaper than Jplay. LOL

i2k92 11th January 2012 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bambadoo (Post 2856411)
Have you tried foobar with wasapi and big buffer size together with fidelizer? (under advanced in properties. "Full file buffering set to ie 300000kB)

I've tested the full file buffering (I think I set it around 50000kB), foobar + jplay still sounds better. Will test Foobar + Fidelizer tonight.

bambadoo 19th January 2012 09:18 PM

Interesting thread
Jplay - just another scam? - Hydrogenaudio Forums

wushuliu 2nd February 2012 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by erin (Post 2856454)
I don't even have to try it to know that it wont sound better than CMP cPlay which does do gapless playback. It is free. Which is 99 Euro cheaper than Jplay. LOL

It does gapless in hibernate mode. The feedback is universal regarding how good it is and I have to agree. I am pretty sure I have read users preferring it to Cplay. It sure is a lot easier to get up and running, quick customer service and support (Why is the Cplay forum based in audioasylum which is a fancy BBS board for all intents and purposes). It's gotten major publication coverage and it's only a year old. Whether or not that's worth the money is another question.

There is nothing user-friendly about the cplay site. Everytime I am about to give it a go I look at the 'guides' and know it's going to be a whole long process and I just don't bother.

erin 2nd February 2012 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by wushuliu (Post 2888079)

There is nothing user-friendly about the cplay site. Everytime I am about to give it a go I look at the 'guides' and know it's going to be a whole long process and I just don't bother.

And thats why you will never know how good cPlay is :p

The cPlay site itself is actually very good, but it does require a person to click on menus which take a person to the next page, which perhaps is difficult for some?

I interpret what you are saying to mean.
Jplay is for those who are lazy and second best will do.

So, you "read" of "users" who "said" that they "prefered" Jplay over cPlay. Because its "easier"???

cPlay also has had a major review here http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazin...chapter105.htm and at the time of the review was only a year or so old. But really, big deal.

And for what its worth I take all reviews with a pinch of salt, however I personally trust online reviews or comments in forums over print media reviews as there is more commercial interest in magazines. But anyway, you didn't cite your reference so who knows what you are talking about.

And to continue on with your rant you criticise Audioasylum?? Why? What point dose that prove.

OK, so why do you hang out one DiyAudio? Presumably because you think that commercial products are made with compromises and you prefer to modify or design your own gear which is better than you can get off the shelf, and now you are applauding some software which is "off the shelf" yet still allows windows to operate and read email at the same time???

Well if you are going to tell me that Jplay stops other services etc. Well cPlay does whatever Jplay does, but takes it further, does it better, did it first, and costs absolutely nothing! and the website offers suggestions on how to tweak your operating system and your PC, and the Audioasylum thread has awesome suggestions from really dedicated PC audio people who tweak the c^&p out of their computers to get the best sound.

I almost forgot to say, that if Jplay is so easy why would you even need support?

wushuliu 3rd February 2012 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bambadoo (Post 2869883)

Nothing interesting about it. Typical Hydrogen audio thread. Been that way for years. I'm sure most of the projects on diyaudio would get the same treatment.

wushuliu 3rd February 2012 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by erin (Post 2888164)
And thats why you will never know how good cPlay is :p

The cPlay site itself is actually very good, but it does require a person to click on menus which take a person to the next page, which perhaps is difficult for some?

I interpret what you are saying to mean.
Jplay is for those who are lazy and second best will do.

So, you "read" of "users" who "said" that they "prefered" Jplay over cPlay. Because its "easier"???

cPlay also has had a major review here Audiolics Anonymous Chapter 105: Home Theater Computer Pt. 2, Pinnacle PCTV HD Pro Stick Article By Bill Gaw and at the time of the review was only a year or so old. But really, big deal.

And for what its worth I take all reviews with a pinch of salt, however I personally trust online reviews or comments in forums over print media reviews as there is more commercial interest in magazines. But anyway, you didn't cite your reference so who knows what you are talking about.

And to continue on with your rant you criticise Audioasylum?? Why? What point dose that prove.

OK, so why do you hang out one DiyAudio? Presumably because you think that commercial products are made with compromises and you prefer to modify or design your own gear which is better than you can get off the shelf, and now you are applauding some software which is "off the shelf" yet still allows windows to operate and read email at the same time???

Well if you are going to tell me that Jplay stops other services etc. Well cPlay does whatever Jplay does, but takes it further, does it better, did it first, and costs absolutely nothing! and the website offers suggestions on how to tweak your operating system and your PC, and the Audioasylum thread has awesome suggestions from really dedicated PC audio people who tweak the c^&p out of their computers to get the best sound.

I almost forgot to say, that if Jplay is so easy why would you even need support?

Easy partner. I was giving the pros and cons (from my perspective). Some people like going down the rabbit hole and scouring threads for hours and hours and doing mods and yadda yadda. Some people like to hit play and have done with - but come on, just because something is easier to use doesn't mean it's inferior. And Jplay is 'off the shelf'???! You do realize it's changed a lot since it's inception, right? 'Off the shelf'? Not quite, the newest version maybe... And I assume you're joking about the support question. Btw, that ETM article is from 3 years ago, no? Anyhoos -

I don't get the 'who knows what I am talking about' as though you can't find user feedback on jplay. Really?? Come on. And did I say people prefer it to cplay because it's easier, or did the period not do it's job?

'Lazy', 'second best', 'your rant'(two sentences qualify as a rant?)... Milady doth protest... lest she thinks I fabricate.

If you like Cplay, great. I have heard great things about CMP Cplay. And yes, I have also tried it. Not my cup of tea and I found better performance elsewhere. But Jplay is the real deal and you can't deny their success. They are doing something right. Like I said, it's up to whomever to decide if the cost is worth it. They DO have a free demo, you know...

Maybe you take me for a fanboy. I am not. I own Jplay as well as MPCHC, stealthaudioplayer,jrmc, XXHE, etc etc...

erin 4th February 2012 12:42 AM

OK, cool, now perhaps you can tell me purely based on sound quality alone, why you think Jplay "performs" better, I presume you mean sounds better than CMP + cPlay. More detail? More depth? Higher highs? lower Lows?


Seriously, I want to know, if you are willing to indulge...

Also, which version of CMP + cPlay did you try. And I do presume you tried the full CMP + cPlay, not just the cPlay that plays music on the regular windows desktop. I also presume you "optimised" your PC according to the instructions on the CMP website, and implemented minlogon?
All the optimisations are part of the cPlay "thing". Simply installing and running it on a stock OS does not give the best sound, and is not the way it is intended to be used.

Now, the forum to which you linked in your last post, where the person claiming that Jplay sounds better than cPlay did not mention if he did "optimise" his OS. In my experience from reading forums, those who are dedicated to cPlay are very happy to mention that they optimised their OS. My "feeling" is that this person did not go to much trouble here, and so I take his comments with a pinch of salt.

Thanks


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