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Old 4th February 2012, 12:45 AM   #11
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Nothing interesting about it. Typical Hydrogen audio thread. Been that way for years. I'm sure most of the projects on diyaudio would get the same treatment.
I really enjoyed reading about it, and it was interesting how the programmer of Jplay couldn't answer his critics in any meaningful way.

However in his defense, the guys on hydrogenaudio did seem to be of the "bits are bits" school of thought, which I do not subscribe. It can be challenging to argue against those head in sand type of people.
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Old 4th February 2012, 01:18 AM   #12
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Perhaps someone using Jplay can open taskmanager when Jplay is running and tell me which services are left running, which have been stopped, how many threads and handles are being executed and how much of the pagefile is being used with no music loaded.
This will give an indication of what Jplay is doing, and might also be an indicator of its performance level.
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Old 5th February 2012, 01:04 AM   #13
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In River/Beach mode it doesn't do anything with regards of other services/processes other than takes over one CPU core for itself. I disable the paging file, so no idea about pagefile.

In Hibernate mode, one can't even open task manager as it practically kills everything.
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Old 5th February 2012, 07:06 AM   #14
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So it seems we can't know what Jplay is actually doing to the processes. We just have to trust the author?
Taskmanager would tell you how many MB are in the pagefile even if the pagefile is disabled. Its a shame you can't open taskmanager.

What it is doing in Hibernate mode is the thing I want to know. Is it possible to open taskmanager and then execute Hybernate mode, which would leave taskmanager running?

Supposing Hybernate mode does shut down most processes, it seems like the concept and execution is so similar to cPlay, that in theory there should be a negligible sonic difference?

And this is why I have trouble swallowing the 99 Euro charge for the software. We have one software which is free and one costing 99 Euro, yet both doing effectively the same thing.

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Old 5th February 2012, 08:16 AM   #15
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So it seems we can't know what Jplay is actually doing to the processes. We just have to trust the author?
Taskmanager would tell you how many MB are in the pagefile even if the pagefile is disabled. Its a shame you can't open taskmanager.

What it is doing in Hibernate mode is the thing I want to know. Is it possible to open taskmanager and then execute Hybernate mode, which would leave taskmanager running?

Supposing Hybernate mode does shut down most processes, it seems like the concept and execution is so similar to cPlay, that in theory there should be a negligible sonic difference?

And this is why I have trouble swallowing the 99 Euro charge for the software. We have one software which is free and one costing 99 Euro, yet both doing effectively the same thing.
Just. Use. The. Demo. The demo is free. you can play with it all you want and make up your own mind. or just stick with cplay. or post on the jplay forum and ask the authors, who are very accessible. you are going to great lengths to make assumptions about something you can easily judge/inquire for yourself. isn't that better than other user feedback or published reviews?

I can't/won't answer your previous question because like your other post, it assumes I made statements I didn't make. this is my last post on the subject as I think you are looking to have a hypothetical debate or waiting for someone here to confirm what you already believe to be true as opposed to really informing yourself. I may not prefer cplay, but I am relatively informed on it and respect that those who are willing to 'go the distance' as far as optimizations get great performance from it.

it's like talking about how awesome linux is vs. everything else.

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Old 5th February 2012, 08:56 AM   #16
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I can't/won't answer your previous question because like your other post, it assumes I made statements I didn't make.
No it seems that you just don't want to say how optimised your cPlay trial was, and how it sounded subjectively vs Jplay. In other words taking your bat and ball and going home.

I'm happy to listen to what others have to say, and happy to discuss it, as long as there are meaningful subjective sonic comparisons made rather than very general sweeping statements that one is better than the other just "because".

Not helpful.

I. cant. run. Jplay. because. I. only. have.1G. of. RAM. and. it. says. that. minimum. requirements. are. 2G. Hence why I ask questions before spending money.
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Old 5th February 2012, 08:59 AM   #17
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I. cant. run. Jplay. because. I. only. have.1G. of. RAM. and. it. says. that. minimum. requirements. are. 2G.
then there's nothing to discuss.
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Old 5th February 2012, 09:11 AM   #18
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I didn't necessarily want to discuss it with you.

So far I have read the review on enjoy the music where from what I read, the best thing that the reviewer had to say about Jplay was that it was more musical than foobar or cPlay, and to me that is not a comparative review which would justify further interest in the product. Also his mention of foobar in the same sentence as cPlay seems to indicate that he thinks they are somewhere on the same field which I believe that they are not, and so hence I find his comments meaningless. So my question is to anyone who has a fully optimised OS and runs cPlay as their primary music source to provide a subjective AB review vs Jplay. Blind tests are not necessary, just someones honest review. I look forward to it.

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I haven't heard J-Play compared to anything else, but I have heard it compared to itself in standard vs hibernate mode, with no expectations or preconceptions, and the latter was clearly better in terms of space, texture, subjective dynamics and just the sense of a real musical event rather than a recording. The tracks I heard were recordings from an extremely good turntable. In hibernate mode the sound was virtually identical to the original. In standard mode- or whatever they actually call it- it sounded good, but clearly less interesting, lively, etc. It was running on what appeared to be a perfectly ordinary laptop, through a Rega DAC- although the latter is being upgraded to a JKDAC 32 apparently. It's a pity the user interface is so basic when 'hibernating', but sound quality seems to be excellent and may well result in a change my own system in the next year or so.
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Old 5th February 2012, 10:43 AM   #20
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Hello Toaster, thanks for your comments. It comes as no surprise to me that hibernate mode would sound better.
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