I had built some, using PCBs I bought. I understand that PCBs always offer me easier fabrication. For complicated circuits, I have to use PCBs.
Nevertheless, for example, the guys who have their web sites and sell kits should use their market places on their web sites. Why, here . . . ? Why here in Passlab forum . . . ?
More and more, I waste time reading too many "nice, I received" "send me email" "I paid, received?" "bla bla bla" . . .
Grey's JFET GB were pushed away . . . Why others still stay here and paint scribbles ugly . . . ? What they are doing else . . . ?
Oh . . . I am late . . . I may miss my plane . . . . . . .
See you . . .
Nevertheless, for example, the guys who have their web sites and sell kits should use their market places on their web sites. Why, here . . . ? Why here in Passlab forum . . . ?
More and more, I waste time reading too many "nice, I received" "send me email" "I paid, received?" "bla bla bla" . . .
Grey's JFET GB were pushed away . . . Why others still stay here and paint scribbles ugly . . . ? What they are doing else . . . ?
Oh . . . I am late . . . I may miss my plane . . . . . . .
See you . . .
I find the website choky mentioned in post #20 offensive.
Setting aside the profit aspect of things, the Aleph-X is presented as a "Pass Labs Clone" (see the silk screen on the circuit board), which it most assuredly is not. He does not credit Nelson (me either, for that matter, but I was just playing with Nelson's ideas).
Aleph-M? Harrumph!
Grey
Setting aside the profit aspect of things, the Aleph-X is presented as a "Pass Labs Clone" (see the silk screen on the circuit board), which it most assuredly is not. He does not credit Nelson (me either, for that matter, but I was just playing with Nelson's ideas).
Aleph-M? Harrumph!
Grey
I agree too. For example my pcb fab charges 90USD for a 155 sqinch protoboard. So his boards are 8,5 x 5 inch. Now i can fit 3 of those to a 155sqinch board (3,7 to be exact) at a price of 30 USD each. And this is for protoboards. Lets say that i order 100 of these boards, 50USD in setup fees and around 10USD per board after that. So 50+1000/100=10,50 USD per board + shipping. And he charges 48EUR /pc so for a stereo set 89EUR ~ 100USD. So take that 100USD - 21USD - shipping (~15-20USD) = 60USD profit. Kinda crappy aint it?
/Kari
/Kari
KK's site has been discussed before - in detail - and the last time this
came up i thought we left him in good standing.
Kristijan:
Maybe with the removal of Schematics form the official Pass Labs web
site, things are different now.
The Thread
came up i thought we left him in good standing.
Kristijan:
Maybe with the removal of Schematics form the official Pass Labs web
site, things are different now.
The Thread
moe29 said:
yup;
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=431608#post431608
and few posts further
but-for shmtcs ,only NP can tell.......
choky said:
I think that we can clearly understand. Good. BTW, who else are doing GB activities for diyAudio donation . . . ? Fully cofused . . .
I strongly believe that all GB activities are to be done at the GB corner. Whether donation for diyAudio or personal profit, could be decided there and controlled by diyAudio there.
Maybe . . . these days sales of the some guys are going dull so that the guys visit Pass Labs forum and intentionally advertise . . .
. . . 
. . .Regards
jh
Offering PCBs with or without a profit is still aimed at the DIY zone.
What strikes me as offensive is commercially offering complete amplifier building sets, and using images of the real thing on the web to market them. A fairly new shop overhere is doing just that, even receives free advertising here on DIYaudio.
What strikes me as offensive is commercially offering complete amplifier building sets, and using images of the real thing on the web to market them. A fairly new shop overhere is doing just that, even receives free advertising here on DIYaudio.
steenoe said:
ah,you and your Engrish
I agree for both places , but I must say that both places are possible tnx to good will of Papa Nelson;
anyway,entire Diyaudio looks special 'couse we have few pros sharing what and when they can,ou contrarie to usual praxis in this funny world
aleph 30
Maybe I am catching the audio flu or something and not connecting, is the schematic that NP is refererencing the October 2005 j-fet buffer to the zen amp on his web site?
I have been following NP articles in audio express and is this the next one? I am contemplating building the J-fet variation after my speaker project is completed. My Aleph 1.2's still keep me warm in the winter with the A-75 as back up.
Has any built Grey's version of the X-amp? dave
Maybe I am catching the audio flu or something and not connecting, is the schematic that NP is refererencing the October 2005 j-fet buffer to the zen amp on his web site?
I have been following NP articles in audio express and is this the next one? I am contemplating building the J-fet variation after my speaker project is completed. My Aleph 1.2's still keep me warm in the winter with the A-75 as back up.
Has any built Grey's version of the X-amp? dave
Group Buys...
There have been a number of group buys lately on Pass Aleph designs. However, the profit motive on board manufacturing through this DIY site is a VERY questionable conclusion.
I think that if you did the math --- dollar and cents --- you would find that some of the larger projects might be paying an organizer two bucks an hour. You have to add it all up. Proto costs + board mfg. + component proto purchases + actual component purchases + WAF action whilst you turn the dining room in to a loading dock + paypal charges + USPS mailing + customs forms + travel hither and yonder to the Post + answering most questions ranging from idiotic to doctorate thesis. Check the dictionary under "group buy" and you'll see an illustration of a thorn in a butt 'cause it's a pain in the a$$.
It's not a thankless job, but it's a labor of love. So thanks to those profiteers... I'm not so sure they're getting rich. Are some of them paying for a portion of their own audio junky habit? I hope so.
As for the knock off kit guys in the Far East... they're a bunch of jags and what we can do is NOT support them by avoiding their Pass offerings and ANYTHING else they sell. Not a kit, not an RCA connector, nuthin'.
And thanks to Nelson for his support of DIY... it's a fun hobby.
There have been a number of group buys lately on Pass Aleph designs. However, the profit motive on board manufacturing through this DIY site is a VERY questionable conclusion.
I think that if you did the math --- dollar and cents --- you would find that some of the larger projects might be paying an organizer two bucks an hour. You have to add it all up. Proto costs + board mfg. + component proto purchases + actual component purchases + WAF action whilst you turn the dining room in to a loading dock + paypal charges + USPS mailing + customs forms + travel hither and yonder to the Post + answering most questions ranging from idiotic to doctorate thesis. Check the dictionary under "group buy" and you'll see an illustration of a thorn in a butt 'cause it's a pain in the a$$.
It's not a thankless job, but it's a labor of love. So thanks to those profiteers... I'm not so sure they're getting rich. Are some of them paying for a portion of their own audio junky habit? I hope so.
As for the knock off kit guys in the Far East... they're a bunch of jags and what we can do is NOT support them by avoiding their Pass offerings and ANYTHING else they sell. Not a kit, not an RCA connector, nuthin'.
And thanks to Nelson for his support of DIY... it's a fun hobby.
Banned
Joined 2002
Banned
Joined 2002
chipco3434 said:
Yes yes.. it will be really simular to this..
http://www.chipamp.com/aleph
The boards are going to be smd i don't know what color but ill be picking that when im at Briangt's house in a few weeks.
I appreciate the volunteers of GB very much in general . . .
I do not know whether the guys lose or earn . . .
I do not care of the kit guys outside diyAudio and where they are . . .
Maybe, I am misunderstanding the definition of Pass Labs forum . . .
I have expected a higher quality of technical interests . . . But, I have seen too often the disappointing quality of Pass-project-copy-on-PCB activities . . . Gee . . .
Regards
jh
I do not know whether the guys lose or earn . . .
I do not care of the kit guys outside diyAudio and where they are . . .
Maybe, I am misunderstanding the definition of Pass Labs forum . . .
I have expected a higher quality of technical interests . . . But, I have seen too often the disappointing quality of Pass-project-copy-on-PCB activities . . . Gee . . .
Regards
jh
Nelson Pass said:
And.... Poof it is gone.
Thanks Nelson!
-David
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