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jleaman 16th October 2005 01:03 AM

Mini a's Up in SMOKE :eek:
 
Well we have one channel here up in smoke. :(

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After several weeks of sounding just fine, the amp decided over the weekend to play bad. I usually leave all my amps running when Iím out of the room for a few minutes or hours, so I canít be sure when it happened, but it wasnít hard to observe the results. Upon returning to the living room, a bubbling crackling noise was discernable from one speaker, along with the unmistakable smell of melted voice coil enamel, and a slight orange glow from under the dust cap of the Fostex drivers. .

One channel of the amp measures full 20V DC at the speaker terminals, with less than .002 on the other side. Itís likely gonna be a few days before I can get to putting in on my bench to pop the top and poke around. I have no idea how to measure anything other than R values Ė have you got any suggestions how to determine which if any of the semiís are toast?

Once repaired, any suggestions on a hi pass output filter or other DC protection circuits? If I keep the amp, I donít want to risk damaging drivers like the AMT Heils, Fostex or CSS full rangers.

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My observations ( no stepping on toes i hope )

One of the fet's have come loose enough that the ceramic pad has moved causing the fet to not disapate the heat into the heat sink.

Or the screw metal has a diferent reaction to metal on metal at a certian tempature causing it to move or expand. That little bit of expansion made the ceramic pad fall the opposite direction of the get.

Would a fet not being properly cooled causse the amplifier to do what ? and cause rail voltage into a speaker ?

I have pictures.

J'

jleaman 16th October 2005 03:09 AM

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Brian Donaldson 16th October 2005 03:38 AM

Here's what happens. If the fet runs too hot from no heat sink goo or too loose screw, etc., the heat cool cycles from turning it off and on cause the silicon to delaminate from the metal base, causing more overheating, then the fet shorts, and you have rail on the speaker. Don't ask me how I know.

jleaman 16th October 2005 03:42 AM

Thanks. :D.. ill be taking all these parts off the board or ill see if we can get him a new board..

J'

azira 16th October 2005 03:52 AM

Hope you don't mind me asking an unrelated question... How do you like those SIL pads inplace of thermal goop? I have quite a few of them around and I can't decide how well/poor they work.
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Danny

jleaman 16th October 2005 03:59 AM

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Hope you don't mind me asking an unrelated question... How do you like those SIL pads inplace of thermal goop? I have quite a few of them around and I can't decide how well/poor they work.
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Danny

Me i love them but they do have to be tightened down..

My idea.. >

mpmarino 16th October 2005 04:08 AM

That stinks J',

I'd bet that only that 1 fet is toast (well, and the speaker of course). I have never been comfortable with mounting a fet with a single screw like that. I pretty much always use a piece of 1/2" alu bar stock across the fet with 2 stainless hex machine screws straddling the fet. Boy you can really crank down on 'em with much less risk of damaging the device and the risk if loosening is minimised. Also, the bolt feels less heat so perhaps it won't expand/change as much. Using that method I have noticed VERY little difference between device temp and sink temp probing around with an IR thermometer (maybe 3 or 4 C) and I think sink contact is way better. Just a suggestion.....


WOW!!! you posted as I was typing...COOL!

fcel 16th October 2005 04:20 AM

Jason,
Schematic says plus and minus 15V rail. I remembered you saying that you are using 22V rail. Could that be the reason why you fried the MOSFET?

jleaman 16th October 2005 04:25 AM

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Originally posted by fcel
Jason,
Schematic says plus and minus 15V rail. I remembered you saying that you are using 22V rail. Could that be the reason why you fried the MOSFET?


This was not my amp.. and mine are running at 20V rails witch will not hurt it at all. Just have to have the heat sink to cool it.. I think the main reason for this smoke show was due to heat not being transfered from the fet to heat sink..


J'

fcel 16th October 2005 04:34 AM

Not your amp? Now I know why post #1 looks kind of "odd" ....


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