recommendation for ZEN compatible speakers

till · 19th September 2002, 10:21 PM

Because this Thread :
speaker companies

where Nelson sayd :

Quote:

Lately my favorites have been:

TAD, for the big buck crowd,

PHL for the slightly less wealthy

Polydax Pro, for slightly less $ yet

Fostex for the budget minded

Beyma and Selenium instead of beer.

run another direction:

I want to ask, and maybe Nelson is able to say something more,

what are good speaker to fit with the Zen amps?

I searched TAD and found the make studiomonitors like:
MODEL 2251
SPECIFICATIONS

Impedance 8ohm
Reproduct. Freq. Zone 32-25,000 Hz
Input Capacity Max 500W
Output Sound Pressure Level 93db
Max Output Sound Pressure Level 120db(1m)
Crossover Frequency 950Hz
Shell Size 450(W)x650(H)x450(D) (including grill, enclosure depth 420mm)
Weight 47kg

Whatever this baby may cost and how to buy - is that the right for a Zen?

Or is polydax - p10 sayd aka audax , this right?
http://www.audaxspeaker.de/aktuell.htm

Or if your advice is DIY, will passdiy ever have a projekt of a ZEN friendly Loudspeaker system?

Thanks,Till

Nelson Pass · 20th September 2002, 04:49 AM

Alright, first the TAD. Long the favorite of many studios,
it's hard to wrong with TAD. In my opinion, they are worth
the bucks, but you are approaching Wilson territory for
prices.

Polydax makes some Pro drivers, not the regular stuff,
that has what it takes. Not as good as TAD, but certainly
a lot cheaper.

Don't neglect PHL and Fostex. Check them all out.

Also, these aren't the only things out there. We have been
on a quest for several years, with Cyclotron Guy gathering
up every candidate we can find. This is ripe territory for
DIYers, and personally I find that there are some real gems
in the high sensitivity category.

till · 20th September 2002, 11:20 PM

Thank You for answer!

As i mentioned elswhere, i don´t want to DIY Speaker at the moment, just because:

- it seems to be more komplex than the electric side of hifi.

- i have no measurement equipment which may be needed if take speakers serios.

- i have limited time and this i spent at the moment in understanding the " linear electronic " thing.

- every speaker i have seen until now somebody of the people i know build, was a mess. Good for loud but not for precision. I own a pair of speakers i recived damaged, about 15 years ago they were about 5 k dollar (I was never able to spent so much money...) and i replaced the chassis by new, they are still avaible. The chassis were 10% of these 5 k. I think this 2 are not bad, but i feel after building the CD Pro 2 , BoZ, and Zen v2, (v4 comes in the next few weeks ...) it would be worth trying other speakers.

Maybe these i own fit better for an aleph...

Ok , so i will go and see if i´m able to aim a pair of (used?) TAD s - next 5 years or so. Until now i found nobody who sells them in germany and TAD - Pioneer didn´t anser on email.

till · 22nd September 2002, 08:58 PM

One more post.....

I did some studys on Pioneer - TAD Website.

Would it be a good solution to buy a pair of TL1102, put in a a heavy wooden Box of maybe 150l Volume, buy a pair of TD2002 , try to find a plan for a Horn which may fit to TD 2002, build it out of wood, stick it into the wooden box, and biamp this with xover in preamp (@ ca 1kHz) with 2*2 Zen V4 ?

The minor problem would be the freeform building of a horn out of wood - to form a piece of wood is a common job for me. Only how to obtain a plan for a horn?

Holger Barske · 22nd September 2002, 09:05 PM

Till,
you will have difficulties obtaining TAD-speakers in Germany. Pioneer is indeed the mother company, but they are not really importing those speakers to Germany. I once got a pair of PTR-9 tweeters from them, but this was very difficult and only led to success because I knew some "important" guys an Pioneer Deutschland quite well. And, not to forget, TAD is really expensive.

Sparhawk · 22nd September 2002, 09:31 PM

I can't help but mention Klipsch here. I have a pair of RF-3 II which are really excellent for the price. At 98dB sensitivity, I think they'll be a perfect match for the Zen v4 monoblocks I am building.

I don't know how they rate on Nelson's list, but I like 'em.

till · 22nd September 2002, 10:04 PM

Hallo Holger!

Ich bin zu arm um billig einzukaufen.

The most expensive way is to give the money away for something thats not satisfaying. Maybe TAD is expensive, but I trust more in the words of Mr. Pass than into the test reports of the magazine you earn your money with. I never read in Stereo or similar mags a Loudspeaker, amp, CDP, whatever, is bad - they are all sweet, fantastic, superior, ... . I´m not able to get any information out of this consumer stuff - advertisment industrie - hifi magazines. So i trsut in the advice i got by N.P.

I allready recognized it will be difficult to buy TAD in germany, but flights to USA are less than last year, and maybe someone over there will help me... lets see.

I´m willing to play around with different speakers , but "TAD isn´t available in germany and expensive" is a typical german answer to a mans question. A negative statement whithout advice to try something differnt. I ask for help, not for demotivation - you understand?

Nix für ungut, Till

Holger Barske · 22nd September 2002, 10:17 PM

Till,
I am not on diyaudio.com for professional reasons, but for my very personal interests. So what you will I will post here hasn't got to do anything with the things I earn my money with - which is, as you certainly know - not DIY. It is because I am into buliding audio equipment for 23 years know. I would strongly recommend you to leave my daily business out of this board, okay?

And if I tell you that TAD in Germany is difficult and expensive, this is a very personal experience and certainly not for your demotivation.

Bleib locker Junge: Holger

till · 22nd September 2002, 10:33 PM

OK.

I don´t wont to bother you, but as you seem to have some knowledge in this materia, please could you give me some information - HOW expensive are these TAD products - if bought in the USA, and: Is there NO way to buy them in europe ?

- pioneer europe lists no complete speaker systems like in the USA :
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/Pi...3070400,00.htm

but some chassis:

http://www.pioneer-eur.com/eur/produ...nomy_id=43;203

So there should be a way to buy chassis.

Whats your advice for a -preferred not DIY but readymade - speaker for ZEN amps, not very large, preferred 2 way system suitable for komplex vocal music, "Präzise Wiedergabe, keine heavy metal monster, eher Phillip Glass)

Thank you, Till

pape.till@gmx.de

Holger Barske · 22nd September 2002, 10:50 PM

Pioneer used to import some TAD drivers for several german oem customers - Martion in Berlin for example. As far as I know, they do not any more because the quantities were too low.
I do not know about the rest of europe.
To give you a hint on prices: a pair of PTR-9 would have been selling for nearly 1000 Euros in Germany.

Giving tips on finding a suitable speaker is not too easy becouse I have no listening experience with a ZEN amp.
What I generally like a lot with amplifiers calling for effective speakers is: http://www.triangle-fr.com/comete-202-gb.htm

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20th September 2002, 04:49 AM	#2
Nelson Pass The one and only Join Date: Mar 2001	Alright, first the TAD. Long the favorite of many studios, it's hard to wrong with TAD. In my opinion, they are worth the bucks, but you are approaching Wilson territory for prices. Polydax makes some Pro drivers, not the regular stuff, that has what it takes. Not as good as TAD, but certainly a lot cheaper. Don't neglect PHL and Fostex. Check them all out. Also, these aren't the only things out there. We have been on a quest for several years, with Cyclotron Guy gathering up every candidate we can find. This is ripe territory for DIYers, and personally I find that there are some real gems in the high sensitivity category.

20th September 2002, 11:20 PM	#3
till Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany, Clausthal	Thank You for answer! As i mentioned elswhere, i don´t want to DIY Speaker at the moment, just because: - it seems to be more komplex than the electric side of hifi. - i have no measurement equipment which may be needed if take speakers serios. - i have limited time and this i spent at the moment in understanding the " linear electronic " thing. - every speaker i have seen until now somebody of the people i know build, was a mess. Good for loud but not for precision. I own a pair of speakers i recived damaged, about 15 years ago they were about 5 k dollar (I was never able to spent so much money...) and i replaced the chassis by new, they are still avaible. The chassis were 10% of these 5 k. I think this 2 are not bad, but i feel after building the CD Pro 2 , BoZ, and Zen v2, (v4 comes in the next few weeks ...) it would be worth trying other speakers. Maybe these i own fit better for an aleph... Ok , so i will go and see if i´m able to aim a pair of (used?) TAD s - next 5 years or so. Until now i found nobody who sells them in germany and TAD - Pioneer didn´t anser on email.

22nd September 2002, 08:58 PM	#4
till Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany, Clausthal	One more post..... I did some studys on Pioneer - TAD Website. Would it be a good solution to buy a pair of TL1102, put in a a heavy wooden Box of maybe 150l Volume, buy a pair of TD2002 , try to find a plan for a Horn which may fit to TD 2002, build it out of wood, stick it into the wooden box, and biamp this with xover in preamp (@ ca 1kHz) with 2*2 Zen V4 ? The minor problem would be the freeform building of a horn out of wood - to form a piece of wood is a common job for me. Only how to obtain a plan for a horn?

22nd September 2002, 09:05 PM	#5
Holger Barske diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ruhrgebiet	Till, you will have difficulties obtaining TAD-speakers in Germany. Pioneer is indeed the mother company, but they are not really importing those speakers to Germany. I once got a pair of PTR-9 tweeters from them, but this was very difficult and only led to success because I knew some "important" guys an Pioneer Deutschland quite well. And, not to forget, TAD is really expensive.

22nd September 2002, 09:31 PM	#6
Sparhawk diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada	I can't help but mention Klipsch here. I have a pair of RF-3 II which are really excellent for the price. At 98dB sensitivity, I think they'll be a perfect match for the Zen v4 monoblocks I am building. I don't know how they rate on Nelson's list, but I like 'em.

22nd September 2002, 10:04 PM	#7
till Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany, Clausthal	Hallo Holger! Ich bin zu arm um billig einzukaufen. The most expensive way is to give the money away for something thats not satisfaying. Maybe TAD is expensive, but I trust more in the words of Mr. Pass than into the test reports of the magazine you earn your money with. I never read in Stereo or similar mags a Loudspeaker, amp, CDP, whatever, is bad - they are all sweet, fantastic, superior, ... . I´m not able to get any information out of this consumer stuff - advertisment industrie - hifi magazines. So i trsut in the advice i got by N.P. I allready recognized it will be difficult to buy TAD in germany, but flights to USA are less than last year, and maybe someone over there will help me... lets see. I´m willing to play around with different speakers , but "TAD isn´t available in germany and expensive" is a typical german answer to a mans question. A negative statement whithout advice to try something differnt. I ask for help, not for demotivation - you understand? Nix für ungut, Till

22nd September 2002, 10:17 PM	#8
Holger Barske diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ruhrgebiet	Till, I am not on diyaudio.com for professional reasons, but for my very personal interests. So what you will I will post here hasn't got to do anything with the things I earn my money with - which is, as you certainly know - not DIY. It is because I am into buliding audio equipment for 23 years know. I would strongly recommend you to leave my daily business out of this board, okay? And if I tell you that TAD in Germany is difficult and expensive, this is a very personal experience and certainly not for your demotivation. Bleib locker Junge: Holger

22nd September 2002, 10:33 PM	#9
till Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany, Clausthal	OK. I don´t wont to bother you, but as you seem to have some knowledge in this materia, please could you give me some information - HOW expensive are these TAD products - if bought in the USA, and: Is there NO way to buy them in europe ? - pioneer europe lists no complete speaker systems like in the USA : http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/Pi...3070400,00.htm but some chassis: http://www.pioneer-eur.com/eur/produ...nomy_id=43;203 So there should be a way to buy chassis. Whats your advice for a -preferred not DIY but readymade - speaker for ZEN amps, not very large, preferred 2 way system suitable for komplex vocal music, "Präzise Wiedergabe, keine heavy metal monster, eher Phillip Glass) Thank you, Till pape.till@gmx.de

22nd September 2002, 10:50 PM	#10
Holger Barske diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ruhrgebiet	Pioneer used to import some TAD drivers for several german oem customers - Martion in Berlin for example. As far as I know, they do not any more because the quantities were too low. I do not know about the rest of europe. To give you a hint on prices: a pair of PTR-9 would have been selling for nearly 1000 Euros in Germany. Giving tips on finding a suitable speaker is not too easy becouse I have no listening experience with a ZEN amp. What I generally like a lot with amplifiers calling for effective speakers is: http://www.triangle-fr.com/comete-202-gb.htm