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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Roma, Italy
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I found some nice 24 position stepped attenuators in a surplus store for my BoSoZ to be built soon.
My questions: 1) Which kind of attenuator is the most suitable to replace either P1-P2 and P3-P4? I mean a simple series attenuator or a shunt or ladder type? I am asking this because it is difficult to assemble a 5K series attenuator with the resistors avalaible to me; it would be much easier to build a shunt attenuator. I was wondering if P3-P4 could work in shunt mode. 2) Which is the correct range of attenuation both for the input and output, e.g. 40 or 60 dB? |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Topeka, KS
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I used stepped attenuators in shunt mode as a substitute for P3/P4 in my BoSoZ preamp and they worked fine. For this shunt make sure that the switch is a shorting (make before break) switch, if not your volume will spike between settings.
I good place for your master volume is P5, which adjusts the gain. In my preamp, I have 5dB steps. In my preamp, I use 2, 4-deck stepped attenuators for P1/P2 in a ladder mode. Each channel had its own 4-deck switch, which allowed balance control as well as fine volume control (I have 1dB steps). If I were to do it again, I would: * eliminate the P1/P2 ladders * have separate P3/P4 switches in shunt mode, with each channel having its own 2-deck switch, which allowed balance control as well as fine volume control (I have 1dB steps) * use a 2-deck discrete switch for P5 for the master volume in 5dB steps |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: LA County
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I thought this is a good link for explaining all the different type of stepped attenuators. http://www.goldpt.com/info.html
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Denmark
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In this article
http://www.audioxpress.com/reviews/media/AE398CF.pdf the author made a 2K stepped attenuator using 22R6 as the lowest. I am building the Bosoz also, and would like to make a 5K 24x2 attenuator for my P4 (as the only volume control), but I can't figure out the resistor values for 5K...so maybe I go for a 10K as P4. |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: LA County
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http://www.marchandelec.com/att.htm
The above link sells a 5K, 24 position balanced stepped attenuator kit for $200. Assembled is $300. Model # is AT24-4-"substitude your resistance value here". They can do any resistance value. And for 46 position, it's $500 kit, $900 assembled. Model # AR46-4-K. I obtained the above information from Phil Marchand at Marchand Electronics. |
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The one and only
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At the output of BOZ or BSOZ, either shunt or ladder
will work fine. At the inputs, a ladder is preferred. |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: USA
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I am sure this might help someone about figuiring customs value for a stepped attenuator.
http://quadesl.com/attenuator.html
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Topeka, KS
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I believe that estimating resistor values for a shunt attenuator is basic freshmen level physics, just calculate the voltage drop divide between the series resistor and the load resistor and
dB = 20* log(V1/V0). It is good to create an Excel spreadsheet to do the math and allow you to substitute actual resistor values (I did this, but saddly a harddrive crash wiped out my file). Here are the values that I used for a 12 step switch for shunt in place of P3/P4 (assuming R9/R10 series resistors of 221 ohm and R11/R12 load resistor of 100K ohm in parallel with the shunt): 0.47 ohm -53.5dB 0.75 -49.4 1.3 -44.7 2.4 -39.4 4.3 -34.4 7.5 -29.7 13.3 -24.9 24.9 -19.9 49.9 -14.7 105 - 9.8 287 - 5.0 Open 0.0 |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Denmark
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Also found this calculator
http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~nroberts/atten.html From this site I downloaded another excel spreadsheet for calculation: http://www.siteswithstyle.com/VoltSe...ure_Shunt.html |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Denmark
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I have some further questions:
1. How do I know if the normal 1% metal films I buy at the local shop for my attenuator are "matching resistors"? And should I use 0,1% resistors instead? 2. On my existing preamp I sometimes use the balance control to adjust left-right. Thus I would like to place a balance control in my BosoZ before the P4 attenuator. I don't want to use two volumen controls, one for each channel, so I figure this circuit figure 5 may be used: http://sound.westhost.com/project01.htm This guy recommends that BAL = 2,5 x VOL, so for my 5K volume it will be 12,5 K. Is it possible to use a high quality attenuator as volume and a cheaper (linear) pot as balance, or should they be the same parts? What are the drawbacks with a balance control apart from longer wiring? Thanks. |
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