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Old 6th July 2004, 11:01 AM   #81
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what did you expect?

do you expect it to be better here???
NO! I'm quite realistic - so I knew that everything will get much worse for majority of people ... The differences are just bigger and bigger - all around the world ...
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Old 6th July 2004, 11:05 AM   #82
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Everytime I vitit my relatives in southern Styria, I see lots of
Slovenian and Croatian cars with people buying everything
which is not fixed with superglue, carrying this stuff across the
border not paying duties!

I used to make my own pcbs with Fe2Cl3 and hot water.
Btw - with getting a little easier now by "opening" the borders - I didn't meant food, clothes, ... I meant technical stuff and ESPECIALLY ordering parts for amps etc from Europe - now you just pay for the merchandise and for posting costs - but before there was a custom etc etc ...
And as said - Slovenia was not listed in ebay - so you automaticly "fall off"

Btw - I also used to do the PCB in that manner - but now I'm a little bit older - and I want that a product of mine also looks neat and "pro" made ...
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Old 6th July 2004, 11:23 AM   #83
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Emm - aboutnot living in wrong country ... OK, students can't afford a lot anywhere - BUT then again - it's still easier if you can buy the stuff in local shops - so when you have the money- you do it ... But in our case - you depend from outside sources ...
ahem, i live in the middle of germany. On the former "western" side.

I have to drive 20km to buy a quality jeans, or a mercedes spare part. I have to drive 60km to find a shop with good wine. My coffee beans come from the Bodensee about 800km from here, i don´t even know a shop around that sells quality socks. Loads of parts i can only get via mail / phone or internet order. Nearly all the small shops around here closed, only Aldi and Marktkauf left. Sometimes they sell fruits you would not feed your pigs in countries like Brasil or Mexico... Thanks God they still make bread in my hometown.

Half of the people here do not own anything but negative money, maybe 40% own something worth maybe 50k to 150K Euros, if you calculate aginst what they have to pay bayk to the bank. 10% own serois money and those stinking rich are less 1%. Thats capaitalism or "soziale Marktwirtschaft"

Most young people go to Kindergarden 2 years or so, go to school, 13 years, study, about 7 to 8 years in average, and then do not get real jobs... Human beeing is degraded to the funktion to recive a little money from a nonsense job or social welfare (not ,uch difference) and carry that little money to Aldi. The worst problem is, there is not much perspective for future.

Our town is in state of bankruptcy, our universtiy was cut down 20% this year, and same will happen next... Things in western and eastern europe get more equal.... in the other way people expected.
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Old 6th July 2004, 11:53 AM   #84
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Emm - aboutnot living in wrong country ... OK, students can't afford a lot anywhere - BUT then again - it's still easier if you can buy the stuff in local shops - so when you have the money- you do it ... But in our case - you depend from outside sources ...

Do you really believe that I can buy firstclass parts in the
local shop around the corner in Vienna????????? (or in any other
city in the EU)

Wake up my friend, I buy all my stuff from foreign sources!
(US, GB, GER)

I do most of the pcbs on my own - you must not be afraid of
stinky chemicals.

I take many parts out of scrap units which I look after at the
local waste deposit.

When I buy from partsxpress or other overseas sources I have
to pay taxes and duties too.

I for my part do not moan because of the situation in the county
I live in. I try to be creative in finding new sources for the stuff
I need - it is a hobby nothing else!

Slovenia is such a beautiful country, you must be very happy to
live there

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Old 6th July 2004, 11:59 AM   #85
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Hi Primoz,

for your convenience here is the Bulgarian source:
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Old 6th July 2004, 12:21 PM   #86
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life sucks - no Mercedes spare parts readily available, good wine 60km away, special rost coffee beans need to be imported from the other end of Germany -

get real !

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Old 6th July 2004, 12:26 PM   #87
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I guess Singapore in that sense is more convinient, no import tax and every thing is just around the corner. Most brands are represented here. I am still complaining about having to take a 20 min taxi to go 4-5 miles to the electronics centre for the parts... oredering from the US is about 3 to 5 days away by air. The only tax is 5% sales tax for import and only if the amount is more then Singapore $ 400 ( about US$ 250).

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Old 6th July 2004, 12:46 PM   #88
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Till - same stuff here about shops, wine, education, prospects, ...

Actually - I think I was a little misunderstood - I don't complain at all that I hardly live or something, etc ...

For my first 25yrs - I've always had something to eat, something to wear, a roof upon my head, I've seen some other countries, ...

So let's go back to my first reply in this subject:
My FIRST point was - that Kristijan's PCBs are not expensive for me - WHY?
- friend of mine and I decided cca 2yrs ago we will build amplification based on NP schematics for ourselves ... So - one of the steps was to design and draw a PCB ... Another was - that it would be nice to have it made by a professional company- so it would look a little bit more serious than home made ones ... After all - such diy project ain't something you will do very often - more likely - maybe one amp in few years ... And the third one was - let us use "exotic" parts - there are not many elemnts in the design - so why not spent a little more and buy "the real stuff" ...
THAT WAS THEORY.

Praxis: first completed amp was my Zen v4 - to test a little bit our skills - so it was low budget project - PCB of course home made; parts nothing special non so ever - usual resistors, power resistirs are cheap wirewound ones, Wima MKS capacitors, Jamicon capacitors in PS ... It played (actually still plays) well

Then - a big decision - should we do A3 or A5? few months passed - and a decision for A5 was finaly accepted ...
But let us this time make it a little more "pro looking" done ... After all - apparently it will be an amp that will be our companion for many years ...
After a lot of nights spent on this forum the dicision was:
- the "look" of PCB will be designed by a friend - it will be a stereo version - and then some company will produce 2 pcs for us ... Hehe - the last part was never done - the cost for 2 pcs would be over 100$ A little bit overpriced for us at that time; After all - it's not something that we'll be seen after the chassis will be finished
We've seen Kristijan's ofer at that time - and find it almost same expensive at that time ... So the 2 pcs were done in a classical diy manner - at our home ... So there will stay more money for better parts ...
- the parts must be the best possible - caddock's or Mills are A MUST; caps in PS must be Nichicon or Sprague; Cerafine for 220uF would be great; rca's and speaker terminals WBT ... blah blah blah ... Praxis: OK, we could get Caddocks in one shop - but we would have to order a big quantity ... Mills???? What's that ... Nichicon? Is that a company? Cerafine? How many? 12pcs? Don't make me laugh ... 50 or nothing ... Etc etc ...
Some ot the stuff I've manage to order afterall - but with +80% to the price I've found in catallog ... "Well, our shop must survive somehow" their answer was ...
- so the only possibility was Net order from some shops - but as stated - no credit card, to send a money in an envelope is probably not a way, ... Well, now I know I have a possibility to pay with WU Money transfer ... At least that ...

Etc etc ...

Hmm - where does Kristijan enter this story of mine?

Friend's A5 is finished; Mine still in pieces ... Non of us have time to "design" PCBs and to make them these days ... And there are still projects I would like to finish - A5 needs a preamp; I have to do a MC preamp as well, ... I have parts for another A3 "laying arround" ... My MiniA was a disaster because PCB was wrongly designed - ... So many projects and yet so chronically without time So I've decided to buy allready done PCBs/or to give them made on gerber files base ... Because from the past - that's a part that took us most of our time in realising a project ...
So where to get them ...
I haven't bought them in group buys - actually I didn't know for most of the group buys - as said - I'm not regular "client" of these forum ... I anticipate only when I have enough time ...
Kristijan's ofer ... I've studied prices again ... Not that high at all - after all - if I want custom made ones - there's quite a lot of work ... And the costs are same ... And also - there are many positive opinions about quality of his PCBs ... So an interesting option ..
And after all - I know two guys here that anticipated the AX group buy - they both claim that after adding the shipping costs, our custom costs, ... each plate reached almost 20$ ... So 40$ for stereo ... OK, less then Kristijan - but then again - 2 facts must be considered:
- I guess I will get Kristijan's boards in few days after ordering them but group buys are organised once, maybe twice a year ...;
- Kristijan claims he makes a series of 10pcs at a time - so I guess this also affects a little bit higher prices ...

So my conclusion - OK BUT KRISTIJAN MUST MAKE HIS OWN STATEMENT ABOUT THAT - I seriously doubt he's making some serious money out of that ... I guess the "profit" he has pays him his costs he has with realising the project (that's - transport costs to pick PCBs, phone costs to organise some things ...)

And mr. NELSON! I am very grateful that you are so open to the DIY community!! Your contribution to fullfill my musical satisfaction via using amplification based on your designs and IPs can not be measured at all!

Uff ... A little too long post .... I've just got carried away a bit ...
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Old 6th July 2004, 12:55 PM   #89
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Hi Primoz,

for your convenience here is the Bulgarian source:
Olimex

Uli


Thanks - I really didn't have a clue about this company ...

But after short checking of their page:
- on the list of countries they will ship - Slovenia is excludeed
- I also don't like this part:
" Q: How can I pay?
A: We accept Visa, EC/MC, Western Union and bank transfer (T/T) to our account.
Due to the high cost of sending and accepting bank T/T wire transfers, any orders paid by T/T will be subject to a $40 wire fee."
So out od praxis - what is the difference between Western Union and T/T? Because if those thing are the same - then
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