Aleph P1.7 vs. XCCS Balanced Zen LS

tomchaoda · 29th April 2004, 02:52 PM

I have made one Balanced Zen LS and I am thinking of making a better pre-amp (even though BZLS is already very good). I am wondering if anyone have tried Aleph P 1.7 and/or XCCS Balanced Zen? Any suggestion which one might be a better one?

(also, if anyone had tried KRISTIJAN KLJUCARIC's board on both Aleph P or XCCS BZLS? How are they?)

Thanks,

Thomas

Alain Dupont · 29th April 2004, 03:25 PM

tomchaoda,

I have made a CCS-X-BOSOZ with ProtoBoards

Very good impressions, output on a A75 balanced and on a Zen V4 unbalanced
and unbalanced inputs with a NAD C541 HDCD, see the link:

Zen V4 and A75 listening with CCS-X-BOSOZ

This version has only one CCS {Irf610}. It was a prototype, since I have made a new final one with 1 Pcb's for each channel... pictures comming soon...

If you are interested in the schematic, feel free to ask.

Regards.

Alain.

tomchaoda · 29th April 2004, 05:15 PM

Alain:

Yes, can you post your schematics? I want to compare to other X-BOSOZ published before and, BTW, how's the sound?

Thanks,

Thomas

Alain Dupont · 29th April 2004, 05:48 PM

Tomchaoda,

The schematic of the X-CCS-XBOSOZ

I worked with my idea mixed with Henrik's and Bob Ellis to build it.

Regards.

Alain.

tomchaoda · 29th April 2004, 05:54 PM

Alain:

Thanks.

Is this the same with what KRISTIJAN KLJUCARIC is selling? I have downloaded once, but have not compare it yet!

Thomas

Alain Dupont · 29th April 2004, 06:04 PM

Tomchoada,

No, not the same, this one has only one CCS, and an adjustable -10/-15 volts
negative supply, to be able to adjust the bias in the 2 IRF610 at the same time...

So you get the best of all worlds:

- adjustable bias
- CCS
- X
- BOSOZ

The last version of the schematic, v2...

Best regards,

Alain.

kilowattski · 29th April 2004, 10:18 PM

Tom I just recieved Kristjan Kljucaric's Aleph P v1.7 boards (Main Preamplifier and Power Supply board) and they are beautifully made boards. They are amoung the best I have seen. I am in the middle of gathering parts and so far have purchased Holco H8 resistors, Black Gate N for the coupling capacitors, Nichicon for the filter capacitors, Cardas RCA and Vampire XLR connectors, Corcom RFI/EMI Filter, Par Metal case and a Plitron toridal transformer. There are better parts available, but these are the best I can afford. Those who have built the Aleph P v1.7 rave about it. I just hope my version can measure up.

sparkle · 30th April 2004, 09:12 AM

Hi!

About those kristijan's boards. My friend had bought one pair for aleph 5 and one pair for aleph p. Both of the boards are not good. They are really good. Aleph 5 is running and aleph p is almost up and running.
regards
daniel

tomchaoda · 30th April 2004, 01:48 PM

Alain:

I once saw in one of the diyaudio threads that mentioned XCCS-BOSOZ, in his opinion, is better than Aleph P 1.7 (but I can not find it now!). How's your impression of the sound in your design?

Also, the original BOSOZ, Nelson suggest to put the VR on the output side. In your design it is on the Input. Is this a intended design or simply pick one choice?

Thomas

Alain Dupont · 30th April 2004, 02:36 PM

tomchaoda,

Well, I did not listen to a Aleph 1.7 yet...
But had the chance to listen to the PassLabs X1, and that's a preamplifier!!

For the CCS-X-BOSOZ the sound is detailed, open, airy, a lot of dynamics.

I can compare it to the preamp of the NAD C350, which is a class A
but muddy, less dynamics, lack of transparency.

The VR on the output is missing from the schematic, I used a 10K 32 positions to short the outputs right at the 750 Ohms resistors, you can see the wires
But it was tricky to adjust... and cliks all the way!!!

The KYC111 Stepped attenuator from China is a mess, Never Ever use such a product, noise for all the steps.

The only problem I have now, a lot of gain... !!!!

And I am preparing a 10 K stereo stepped attenuator with 2*7 relays
thats 128 positions ladder type for the input, but not finished at this time...

On the other side I have found a APOX kit to finish the prototype, be able to switch inputs, and adapt the Aleph 1.7 like output atenuator to my needs.

On the research for noise in volume switching, I have one idea to try a Wolfson WM8816

But I need to build the enclosures, and have so little time, and short nights...
And a ONO also in construction...

Best regards.

Alain.

29th April 2004, 02:52 PM	#1
tomchaoda diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New Jersey	Aleph P1.7 vs. XCCS Balanced Zen LS I have made one Balanced Zen LS and I am thinking of making a better pre-amp (even though BZLS is already very good). I am wondering if anyone have tried Aleph P 1.7 and/or XCCS Balanced Zen? Any suggestion which one might be a better one? (also, if anyone had tried KRISTIJAN KLJUCARIC's board on both Aleph P or XCCS BZLS? How are they?) Thanks, Thomas

29th April 2004, 10:18 PM	#7
kilowattski diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Long Island, New York	Tom I just recieved Kristjan Kljucaric's Aleph P v1.7 boards (Main Preamplifier and Power Supply board) and they are beautifully made boards. They are amoung the best I have seen. I am in the middle of gathering parts and so far have purchased Holco H8 resistors, Black Gate N for the coupling capacitors, Nichicon for the filter capacitors, Cardas RCA and Vampire XLR connectors, Corcom RFI/EMI Filter, Par Metal case and a Plitron toridal transformer. There are better parts available, but these are the best I can afford. Those who have built the Aleph P v1.7 rave about it. I just hope my version can measure up. __________________ ----------------------------------------------- Kilowattski

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29th April 2004, 05:15 PM	#3
tomchaoda diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New Jersey	Alain: Yes, can you post your schematics? I want to compare to other X-BOSOZ published before and, BTW, how's the sound? Thanks, Thomas

29th April 2004, 05:54 PM	#5
tomchaoda diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New Jersey	Alain: Thanks. Is this the same with what KRISTIJAN KLJUCARIC is selling? I have downloaded once, but have not compare it yet! Thomas

30th April 2004, 09:12 AM	#8
sparkle diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: middle of nowhere...	Hi! About those kristijan's boards. My friend had bought one pair for aleph 5 and one pair for aleph p. Both of the boards are not good. They are really good. Aleph 5 is running and aleph p is almost up and running. regards daniel

30th April 2004, 01:48 PM	#9
tomchaoda diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New Jersey	Alain: I once saw in one of the diyaudio threads that mentioned XCCS-BOSOZ, in his opinion, is better than Aleph P 1.7 (but I can not find it now!). How's your impression of the sound in your design? Also, the original BOSOZ, Nelson suggest to put the VR on the output side. In your design it is on the Input. Is this a intended design or simply pick one choice? Thomas

30th April 2004, 02:36 PM	#10
Alain Dupont diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Paris - France	tomchaoda, Well, I did not listen to a Aleph 1.7 yet... But had the chance to listen to the PassLabs X1, and that's a preamplifier!! For the CCS-X-BOSOZ the sound is detailed, open, airy, a lot of dynamics. I can compare it to the preamp of the NAD C350, which is a class A but muddy, less dynamics, lack of transparency. The VR on the output is missing from the schematic, I used a 10K 32 positions to short the outputs right at the 750 Ohms resistors, you can see the wires But it was tricky to adjust... and cliks all the way!!! The KYC111 Stepped attenuator from China is a mess, Never Ever use such a product, noise for all the steps. The only problem I have now, a lot of gain... !!!! And I am preparing a 10 K stereo stepped attenuator with 2*7 relays thats 128 positions ladder type for the input, but not finished at this time... On the other side I have found a APOX kit to finish the prototype, be able to switch inputs, and adapt the Aleph 1.7 like output atenuator to my needs. On the research for noise in volume switching, I have one idea to try a Wolfson WM8816 But I need to build the enclosures, and have so little time, and short nights... And a ONO also in construction... Best regards. Alain.

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