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Old 9th October 2017, 01:07 PM   #1
Nursfortubes is offline Nursfortubes  United States
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Default First watt clone any good?

New to this forum just wondering if anyone knows about this clone?
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Old 9th October 2017, 01:50 PM   #2
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Probably not good. Pass AM? Aleph-mini? Aleph-mini is a 12 to 15w amp.
Copyright issue here by going into production.
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Old 9th October 2017, 02:49 PM   #3
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The from China rings all the bells about fraud.
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Old 9th October 2017, 03:03 PM   #4
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First, it's stealing intellectual property of Pass labs for commercial profit.
Second it's built in China to an un-known design.
Third un-known quality (or otherwise) of parts used.

But it's your money!
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Old 9th October 2017, 03:24 PM   #5
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We're kind of anti-clone around here.
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Old 9th October 2017, 03:42 PM   #6
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First watt clone any good?
Not the right place to ask this question, we're anti-clone as there is a clear IP infringement issue involved. Why would you buy something from someone who is ripping off one of Nelson's designs? Nelson has strongly supported the diy community so why not build one the legitimate amplifier kits available in group buys or buy a real first watt amp instead of a shoddy, ethically unjustifiable ripped off copy from someone else?
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We're kind of anti-clone around here.
Definitely not anti-clone. Anti-production for profit using NP's IP.
It's pretty simple.

If you build one amp, call it "F6 clone" or "F6 DIY" on the chassis and don't use NP's name, there isn't anything wrong with that.
It's when you use "Pass amp" and produce two or more for sale. That's a problem.
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Old 9th October 2017, 03:51 PM   #8
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And for the money asked including shipping you can build one. With a good chance of it being better than that fraud.
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Old 9th October 2017, 04:22 PM   #9
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Ok if you did not notice I am new here so show me where to find a kit to build and I will
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Old 9th October 2017, 04:23 PM   #10
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First watt clone any good?
I'm not sure about that price comparison, the 4u chassis with sinks at the store starts at $189.00. I'm not condoning the theft of intellectual property, especially of someone (Nelson Pass) who has been so (very) generous and helpful to the diy community. But, the prices on these chinese clones (so called), can be tempting to those who don't know better.
I'm new here, but so far have bought boards for an F6, a B3 pre, and fets from the store, and fets and a phono stage board from members. Haven't built anything yet though. Education of new and inexperienced members is key here, and this forum is a gold mine of information from some really talented and helpful people. Personally, I have not found it's equal.
Offering some guidance along with the caveats of theft (and purchases that are aiding and abetting of that theft), is better than a smack on the snout with a rolled up newspaper.
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