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Old 26th January 2004, 08:45 AM   #1
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Question Aleph-X build help

Hi, I am sorry to trouble this forum....but I would appreciate help right through the build process..........

I am a relative newby.....regarding power amps......however I have built preamps & power supplies in the past.

I want to build two mono block aleph-x's.......with an output of approx 60w into 4 ohms.

I have downloaded the parts list but I am aware that this amp.......requires differing values of components dependinging on
the setup.

Please can somebody help with the component list I require.....
also how many mosfets will I require per channel? what do you recommend.....and what type.....(ie IRFP240 or IRPF044????)

What sort of transformer volatages am I looking at ......ie 20-0-20

I hope there is somebody patient out there........I will be asking some pretty basic questions......

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Old 26th January 2004, 09:52 AM   #2
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hi D3

The best place to start is with calculator on post #267 of the high power x thread. It would also be a good idea to spend a couple of hours reading it.

Aleph-X: High-Power Version

The yellow boxes are the variables you decide for your amplifier and it calculates what you will need.

If you choose 20volt rails with 4 amps of bias, and 4 fets you will need around 15 0 15 tx for something rated factor of 3 or more, or say a 16 17 for something rated with a factor of two.
With 4 fets you will dissipate 40 watts per fet which is doable i think but will need good sinking.
Nelson I think in his comercial offerings likes to keep things at around 25watts per fet.

A good fet is a cheap fet Irfp240, IRFP244 and IRFP044 are all good. I think mouser and digikey have good prices on these. I chose 240 for my aleps as they were cheap and did the job.

BOM materials is on the thread somewhere too for other things you will need. Keep in mind you will need alot of capacitance.
100000uF per rail for two channels would not be unreasonable I wouldnt think?


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Old 26th January 2004, 10:26 AM   #3
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Thanks luke.............good pointers.........still would like some guidance .........if possible......

I will give the h-power threads a good read.........I have attached
my proposal for 20v rails and 8 devices per channel ..... what do you think???? Is this correct???
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Old 26th January 2004, 10:35 AM   #4
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Gorden Bennit...........right here goes....have included xls file now ....sorry
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File Type: zip d3 proposal x nania v3b.zip (4.7 KB, 100 views)
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Old 26th January 2004, 12:03 PM   #5
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Hi Richard,
It appears to me you got the wrong spreadsheet.
There has been some confusion recently, resulting in the posting of a wrong xls-file.
Go to the WIKI. You'll find a lot of compressed info and a correct xls-file as well.

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Old 26th January 2004, 01:11 PM   #6
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Thanks Hugo...................really appreciate your advice.....will check it out!
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Old 26th January 2004, 03:03 PM   #7
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Hi Netlist...
I have problem understanding this spreadsheet
I have download X berekening v3 A and X nania v3B
O.k. in X bereking v3A which is on wiki it says


voltage 20 volts
bias 4 amps
ac current gain 50%
number of fets 8
Peak current 4 amps
power 8 Ohms 64 watts
power 4 Ohms 32 watts
power 2 Ohms 16 watts

Dissipation 160 watts
Dissipation per fet 20,00 watts
Transformer secondaries 15,38 volts
16,67 volts
18,18 volts
20,00 volts

Transformer wattage 320 watts
480 watts

Bias per side 2,0000 amps
Bias per fet 1,0000 amps
Resistor to bias fet 0,5000 ohm

And X Nania V3b

voltage 20 volts
bias 8 amps
ac current gain 50%
number of fets 8
Peak current 8 amps

peak power 8 ohms 81 watts
peak power 4 ohms 128 watts
peak power 2 ohms 64 watts

rms power 8 ohms 57 watts
rms power 4 ohms 90 watts
rms power 2 ohms 45 watts


Dissipation 160 watts
Dissipation per fet 20,00 watts
Transformer secondaries 15,38 volts
16,67 volts
18,18 volts
20,00 volts

Transformer wattage 320 watts
480 watts

Bias per side 4,0000 amps
Bias per fet 1,0000 amps
Resistor to bias fet 0,5000 ohm

To me X Nania make much more sense Diference is bias in Nania is 8A insetead 4A...So which one is correct
In X berekeing , voltage X bias = 20 x 4 = 160 W disispation ???
In Nania is 20 x 8 = 160 W
am I missing something ...???

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Old 27th January 2004, 10:46 AM   #8
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Exclamation STRANGE DISCREPANCY!!

Thanks Josip ..... I thought it strange as well......I assume as you do ......X Nania is more accurate..............I hope somebody will confirm our feelings on this

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Old 27th January 2004, 11:09 AM   #9
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You are forgetting that the amp uses dual supplies, so 20V means 20+20.
Guess who is right now?

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Old 27th January 2004, 11:46 AM   #10
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Josip, Richard,
Andrea is correct.
Indeed, 20V and 8A per side makes 320W because AlephX has two sides.
20V and 4A accordingly gives twice 80W meaning 160W total.

The WIKI-version is the exact one, the Nania-version includes a RMS calculation which is handy but miscalculates the dissipation.

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