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Old 6th January 2004, 05:00 PM   #1
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Default BoSoZ with CCS -- need sugestion...

I am planning to build BoSoZ to drive Aleph-X. But since I don't have balance source, I'm going to operate the bosoz unbalanced-in to balanced-out. So, to keep the Vout+ and Vout- equal in magnitude, I replace R3-R6 with CCS. Iref and Iconst were set to be around 40mV, with Iref = 0.67V/R75.

With R75 = 17, Iconst (=Iref) will be approximately 39.4 mA.
I attached the simm result here, and we can see that the CCS works nicely, so that Vout+ = Vout-. The simm shows the Iref = 41.912mA, and Iconst= 41.962mA.

I run the simm with only one souce (Vs) because I wanted to operate it unbalanced in.

Any sugestion/mods to this circuit? The simm looks OK, but I don't know the result in the real world.

One thing weird about this circuit. I run the simm on Protel DXP, and each time I changed the value of R75 & R76 to, say, 17.5 ohms, the Vout and Iconst swings hecticly. At first, I thought that this circuit was not stable. But, I notice, when I change the value of R75/76 other than 17 ohms, the simm displays a warning: "Gmin stepping failed." What does this mean? I have already change the Gmin parameter before running the simms. Btw, what is Gmin parameter?


Thx folks!
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Old 6th January 2004, 05:06 PM   #2
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Default Simm Results

I forgot to mention. I run the Vs = 20 mV @ 1kHz. Actually, what is the typical magnitude of input voltage to a preamp?
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Assuming that Iref and Iconst are just measurement
points for your simulator, it looks fine.

Z3 and Z4 are superfluous, and there is no need for the
negative supply rail to be so high. 20 volts would be more
than enough. Also you could consolidate the current sources
of Q3 and Q4 into 1 current source, feeding each Source 62
ohms.

Also the negative input should be grounded, so short R14,
the 100K resistor to ground.

Everytime I look, I see something else.....
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Default Re: BoSoZ with CCS -- need sugestion...

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Originally posted by sianturi

Any sugestion/mods to this circuit? The simm looks OK, but I don't know the result in the real world.

I have one like your schematic (sometimes I used a balanced input, sometimes not, so I kept circuitry around the - input).

I've been extremely pleased with the sound using either a single-ended tuner or a balanced D/A converter.

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Also you could consolidate the current sources
of Q3 and Q4 into 1 current source, feeding each Source 62
ohms.

I see.

I have thought that two sources, however, could provide us with more convenient advanture for gain adjustment, if wanted.

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I have thought that two sources, however, could provide us with more convenient advanture for gain adjustment, if wanted.
The SOZ schematic shows a topology which allows some
adjustment with only one pot. You might consider something
like it.
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Z3 and Z4 are superfluous, and there is no need for the
negative supply rail to be so high. 20 volts would be more
than enough. Also you could consolidate the current sources
of Q3 and Q4 into 1 current source, feeding each Source 62
ohms.
VOILA!! I have already thought of the possibility of using 1 CCS instead of 2, but it never occured to me that the answer is splitting the R15 into 2 x 62ohms. Thanks a lot Mr. Pass!
So here it is, the BoSoZ with one CCS.

A few notes about this circuit. I set R75 = 7.5 and R77 = 100K, so that the value of the Iconst = 80mA (trial and error in simm). Why I pick this number? Cause it is a standard resistor value. I could set the R77 = 15K but then, the R77 has to be 8.375 ohms (non-standard value) in order for Iconst to be 80mA. Is 100K for R77 too big? Is it ok to set it to 100K? :confsed:

I leave the Z3 and Z4 attached for future use if I have a balanced source.
I also use -60Vdc because I plan to use just one transformers (+55V and -55V tap transformer)



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Everytime I look, I see something else.....
I hate it when you have that kind of smile....
Another improvement?? :scratch
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The simm result (one CCS)
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Oooh, again....
Need comments. Especially the value of R77 (100K).

Thx!
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The only thing to remember is that any resistance between the sources of the differential pair will mess up the symmetry of the outputs. You could get rid of the resistors completely, but then you have to find a way to get rid of all the extra gain. Kind of a catch 22 situation, unless you use feedback (which could be cool, because you could apply susy to the circuit).
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