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IZHAKKATZ 7th February 2013 11:15 AM

F5 bias problems
 
Hi all,

I'm having problems biasing one channel:
P2 does not affect bias !
When I measure R across R3 & 4 resistance drifts
I've changed Q4 and the jfets, I've changed the 5K trim pot , I've checked all connections and they are all well.

Is there anything else to look for- please…

AudioSan 7th February 2013 01:58 PM

R3 and R4 from wich schematic? across the pot's?

IZHAKKATZ 7th February 2013 03:16 PM

R3 & R4 in the original schematics. they should start at 0 and go up when turning the pot

Zen Mod 7th February 2013 03:25 PM

pics could help

6L6 7th February 2013 04:13 PM

Yes, Please take good photos and post them.

Question - what effect does P1 have? I ask only because you mention that P2 doesn't do anything.

Are you sure you have no cold solder joints on the PCB? That seems to be the Occam's Razor answer...

AudioSan 7th February 2013 05:00 PM

also. check the source resistor on that half.

IZHAKKATZ 8th February 2013 07:47 AM

Thank you all for trying to help :)

I'll do some checking this weekend

cjkpkg 8th February 2013 10:36 AM

Do you have any DC voltage on the output of that channel?

Do feedback resistors get really hot?

Check voltages on the pins of your MOSFETS and JFETS.

Are you using the speaker protect circuit?

jackinnj 8th February 2013 01:14 PM

If you really get stuck trying to bias the F5 -- unsolder the source leg of the mosfets, take a DVM and measure the voltage across the drain resistor of each input JFET. From the manual you'll see that this voltage should be ~4.2V -- set it to ~3.5V, Oftentimes it will be too low or too high. Then you solder the MOSFET back in, and gradually adjust the trimpots for bias current and offset. It requires a bit of patience.

Remember that P1 is in parallel with R3 AND R15+TH1. (from the original schematic). If you can't get 4.2V with a lower IDss/gm JFET like a 2N5457, you may wish to consider changing R3 to a higher value, or placing another JFET in parallel with the original.

cviller 9th February 2013 07:31 AM

The most frequent issue I have heard of with F5 is caused by people trying to adjust only one of the pots first. Both pots need to be adjusted half turns at a time with constant monitoring of the mosfet source resistor voltages.
Resistance drifts due to the active components and capacitance, so focus on the mosfet source resistor voltages.


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