Aleph 2 uneven temperatures

AAAudio · 21st January 2013, 01:50 PM

Hello, I just completed Aleph 2

1500v toroid 0-44vx2
6x 69000uf 50v capacitors + 1 ohm RC filter
dual isotop fast recovery bridge

I used k&k boards

I finished putting in the components and sound is good but is it normal source resistors are different temperatures? I used matched mosfets. Source resistors are 5% (i know- bad thing) 5w 1ohm. They all get warm but some are hotter than others.

Also, how does a burned mosfet influence output sound? (just to know)

Can some test be done on finished board to check mosfet health?

Thank you

Zen Mod · 21st January 2013, 03:11 PM

check voltages across each source resistor

write down and post here

post exact schematic you;re using and write voltages by nomenclature

AAAudio · 21st January 2013, 05:03 PM

Thank you.... what would be the audible effects of:

1) blown mosfet

2) mosfet not in shortcircuit but not working?

Thanks

hm4nine · 21st January 2013, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AAAudio

Thank you.... what would be the audible effects of:

1) blown mosfet

2) mosfet not in shortcircuit but not working?

Thanks

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Zen Mod · 21st January 2013, 09:31 PM

yup

AAAudio · 21st January 2013, 11:07 PM

I measured voltage across source resistors.

The ccs mosfets measure 470-480mV on avergae but one measures 840mV! The gain devices measure 540mV more or less. No strange readings.

Is this behaviour common for bad mosfet?

Right now I have 130mV of DC offset. To much.

Zen Mod · 21st January 2013, 11:20 PM

power off

pull out that mosfet and source resistor

put new ones

hm4nine · 22nd January 2013, 05:42 AM

1500v toroid 0-44vx2
6x 69000uf 50v capacitors + 1 ohm RC filter

BTW:
Secondaries of your tranny are much too high; they should be around 2 x 33 VAC. Or voltage rating of elcaps should be 63 VDC, better 75 VDC.
There you will get your next problem.....

Gyuri · 22nd January 2013, 05:52 AM

And how about power supply voltages across you supply caps?
About 56-57 volts?
44V AC secondaries seems to little bit high for 50V caps.
But we are fearless burning amp builders.

You know in my Aleph a 100.000 uF 50v cap had burnt once ago.
My DC voltages is exactly 50 V. Although those elcos are rather old.
Actually, it does not burnt, but was escaped that foul electrolyte, through the safety vent.
It was huge smoke and a terrible smell.

Gyuri
And I had to clean up.

Gyuri · 22nd January 2013, 05:56 AM

hm4nine, you are ahead of me!

21st January 2013, 01:50 PM	#1
AAAudio diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2012	Aleph 2 uneven temperatures Hello, I just completed Aleph 2 1500v toroid 0-44vx2 6x 69000uf 50v capacitors + 1 ohm RC filter dual isotop fast recovery bridge I used k&k boards I finished putting in the components and sound is good but is it normal source resistors are different temperatures? I used matched mosfets. Source resistors are 5% (i know- bad thing) 5w 1ohm. They all get warm but some are hotter than others. Also, how does a burned mosfet influence output sound? (just to know) Can some test be done on finished board to check mosfet health? Thank you

21st January 2013, 03:11 PM	#2
Zen Mod diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ancient Batsch , behind Iron Curtain	check voltages across each source resistor write down and post here post exact schematic you;re using and write voltages by nomenclature __________________ my Papa is smarter than your Nelson ! tnx to clean thread ; Cook Book ; PSM LS Cook Book ; Baby Diyaudio FORUM ; Mighty ZM's Bloggg;I'm dumb

21st January 2013, 09:31 PM	#5
Zen Mod diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ancient Batsch , behind Iron Curtain	yup __________________ my Papa is smarter than your Nelson ! tnx to clean thread ; Cook Book ; PSM LS Cook Book ; Baby Diyaudio FORUM ; Mighty ZM's Bloggg;I'm dumb

21st January 2013, 11:20 PM	#7
Zen Mod diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ancient Batsch , behind Iron Curtain	power off pull out that mosfet and source resistor put new ones __________________ my Papa is smarter than your Nelson ! tnx to clean thread ; Cook Book ; PSM LS Cook Book ; Baby Diyaudio FORUM ; Mighty ZM's Bloggg;I'm dumb

22nd January 2013, 05:52 AM	#9
Gyuri diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Budapest	And how about power supply voltages across you supply caps? About 56-57 volts? 44V AC secondaries seems to little bit high for 50V caps. But we are fearless burning amp builders. You know in my Aleph a 100.000 uF 50v cap had burnt once ago. My DC voltages is exactly 50 V. Although those elcos are rather old. Actually, it does not burnt, but was escaped that foul electrolyte, through the safety vent. It was huge smoke and a terrible smell. Gyuri And I had to clean up. __________________ Those who would have deserved the life they are all dead already. "Oh, my dead dears!" - Captain Cat


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21st January 2013, 05:03 PM	#3
AAAudio diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2012	Thank you.... what would be the audible effects of: 1) blown mosfet 2) mosfet not in shortcircuit but not working? Thanks

21st January 2013, 11:07 PM	#6
AAAudio diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2012	I measured voltage across source resistors. The ccs mosfets measure 470-480mV on avergae but one measures 840mV! The gain devices measure 540mV more or less. No strange readings. Is this behaviour common for bad mosfet? Right now I have 130mV of DC offset. To much.

22nd January 2013, 05:42 AM	#8
hm4nine diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2005	1500v toroid 0-44vx2 6x 69000uf 50v capacitors + 1 ohm RC filter BTW: Secondaries of your tranny are much too high; they should be around 2 x 33 VAC. Or voltage rating of elcaps should be 63 VDC, better 75 VDC. There you will get your next problem.....

22nd January 2013, 05:56 AM	#10
Gyuri diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Budapest	hm4nine, you are ahead of me! __________________ Those who would have deserved the life they are all dead already. "Oh, my dead dears!" - Captain Cat

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