Active current sinks? help!!!

RichardJones · 4th February 2002, 03:09 PM

Hey gang,

I need to design a current sink that will follow the output of a MOSFET power follower to minimize DC offset... I will be using a IRFP140N as both the power follower and the CCS.

power supply is +12v and -12v split supply. Bias is around 3A.

Problem is that the 12v supplies are 17Ah SLA batteries. So as the amp is run the 12v will drop. They will probably drop non-symmetrical. the -12v will have a consistant 3A draw, while the +12v will draw depending on the music signal.

So, offset may become a problem.

yah I know the amp has a gain of like 0.95.

Any help? I have searched for CCS but couldn't find anything about active ones. Also is it possible to build one totally discreetly without any op-amps?

tia
Richard

Nelson Pass · 4th February 2002, 06:50 PM

Offset drift won't be a problem, but if you drive
the Gate of the follower at ground DC potential, the
output will be at -Vgs plus the drop across any
Source resistance you might be using.

As a practical matter, you will have to bias the
Gate of the follower positively to correct this, and
this means a capacitively coupled input.

RichardJones · 4th February 2002, 07:42 PM

How about a 1:1 IT? Then on the secondary just connect the lower terminal to a positive bias, the upper to the gate of the mosfet?

I may even get a 1:2 or something to provide a little voltage gain to the gate.

Sowter has some nice 1:1's...

I think the upper MOSFET bias should be run from a seperate voltage source. Would there be any current draw for the bias??

Thanks!
Richard

traderbam · 4th February 2002, 08:17 PM

Hi Richard,
I don't think your two batteries will discharge at different rates unless you are running dc into the speaker load (I assume this is for driving a speaker?). The average current drawn from both batteries should be about the same.

Have you considered using a BJT for the CCS? It will operate down below 0.5V and has lower capacitance (looks more like an ideal current source).
BAM

RichardJones · 4th February 2002, 08:23 PM

Well no actually I have not. Do you have a good circuit to use? I kind of like the idea of having:

+12v -> IRFP140N -> 0.2 ohm -> IRFP140N -> 0.2 ohm -> -12v

Its nice and symmetrical. Surely that is a good thing??

The ave. current draw should be the same, but over time one battery may drop faster than the other...

I guess its something I have to try.

p.s. the ouput is taken between the first 0.2 ohm resistor and the second IRFP140N.... but I guess you know that.

tia

Richard

4th February 2002, 03:09 PM	#1
RichardJones diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2002	Active current sinks? help!!! Hey gang, I need to design a current sink that will follow the output of a MOSFET power follower to minimize DC offset... I will be using a IRFP140N as both the power follower and the CCS. power supply is +12v and -12v split supply. Bias is around 3A. Problem is that the 12v supplies are 17Ah SLA batteries. So as the amp is run the 12v will drop. They will probably drop non-symmetrical. the -12v will have a consistant 3A draw, while the +12v will draw depending on the music signal. So, offset may become a problem. yah I know the amp has a gain of like 0.95. Any help? I have searched for CCS but couldn't find anything about active ones. Also is it possible to build one totally discreetly without any op-amps? tia Richard

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4th February 2002, 06:50 PM	#2
Nelson Pass The one and only Join Date: Mar 2001	Offset drift won't be a problem, but if you drive the Gate of the follower at ground DC potential, the output will be at -Vgs plus the drop across any Source resistance you might be using. As a practical matter, you will have to bias the Gate of the follower positively to correct this, and this means a capacitively coupled input.

4th February 2002, 07:42 PM	#3
RichardJones diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2002	How about a 1:1 IT? Then on the secondary just connect the lower terminal to a positive bias, the upper to the gate of the mosfet? I may even get a 1:2 or something to provide a little voltage gain to the gate. Sowter has some nice 1:1's... I think the upper MOSFET bias should be run from a seperate voltage source. Would there be any current draw for the bias?? Thanks! Richard

4th February 2002, 08:17 PM	#4
traderbam diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Earth	Hi Richard, I don't think your two batteries will discharge at different rates unless you are running dc into the speaker load (I assume this is for driving a speaker?). The average current drawn from both batteries should be about the same. Have you considered using a BJT for the CCS? It will operate down below 0.5V and has lower capacitance (looks more like an ideal current source). BAM

4th February 2002, 08:23 PM	#5
RichardJones diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2002	Well no actually I have not. Do you have a good circuit to use? I kind of like the idea of having: +12v -> IRFP140N -> 0.2 ohm -> IRFP140N -> 0.2 ohm -> -12v Its nice and symmetrical. Surely that is a good thing?? The ave. current draw should be the same, but over time one battery may drop faster than the other... I guess its something I have to try. p.s. the ouput is taken between the first 0.2 ohm resistor and the second IRFP140N.... but I guess you know that. tia Richard