F5 Turbo Builders Thread

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K&D,

My take on the V2 version I built (The V3 so far only has one output) at 30V was likely much what Nelson stated (I believe). It's a bit relaxed compared to standard F5 - maybe a little less zazz, but more authoritative for sure. Clean and pure sounding, very resolving. The F5 is still a staple AMP I listen to - it sounds good with a woofer, tweeter or mid range, can drive them all. I will be using it in the end to drive 4 OB woofers. I will see if it can outshine the 50V Cascoded BA-2 with 12 outputs a channel I am using now.
 
Belleville washers make excellent "springy" spacers.

They are so good, that they or similar should be used for all clamped devices. They help to hold a near constant pressure/force as the temperatures change.

Any idea where to purchase small quantities of Belleville spring washers at a reasonable price? Everything I can find has a minimum order of around $30-$40.
 
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so where are we regarding heatsinking of the diodes?
main heatsink, or external?
i guess external heatsink let you up the bias some more before the diodes starts conducting. f.ex a 1"long heatsink across the diodes.

In my test, with probably 3-5W heatsinks, driving a 10V square wave certainly heats the FETs, but not so much the diodes. I think source resistor voltage was .6v
This doesn't answer what is the smarter way to do it, have them conducting earlier if pre-warmed on sink.
At some point I will try to do a SINE wave test at 20hz across a 1 or 2R power resistor and see what it does. This will likely be more realistic. I have some ancient stereophile CD with these tones on them.
 
Buzz,

Which Maggie do you have?

I'm using 3.6's driven by AX100J's. Although I really like the sound I'm getting, you guys are starting to make me wonder, in an expensive kind of way, how an F5T would compare.

Let me say that I appreciate the encouraging way you all are sharing your results. Great work!

Graeme
 
That is prety easy as they are in 2 separate parts of board use 2 bars
one for TO220 and one for TO247 :D
There are loads of beter pictures about the heath spreaders and clamping on
MY F5 tread

I got no PM from you.
Pity because I was interested in the distortion mesurament you taken and was going to send you 2 pairs of matched FQP19N20 for the price of the postagge :confused:


Another approach I saw in one of the threads is to attach the TO-220 device to a TO-3P sized (or larger) copper plate using solder or Arctic Silver, which is then attached to the heatsink with an insulator. This might provide better thermal performance than clamping with a bar. Can anyone comment on this approach?
 
This doesn't answer what is the smarter way

You're forgetting that once the case is closed, ambient temperature inside goes up, and so does diode heatsink temperature.

Suppose that the diodes would be on the main heatsink, and diode die temperature would be at 50C : Vf of ~0.500
Suppose that the diodes are on a separate heatsink, die temperature at 40C : Vf of ~0.515

Diddly squat difference. :clown:

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I think that many are not recognising what the diodes bring to the amplifier operation.

It was thinking about this that led to my reservations on how to set up and operate the diode versions of the amplifiers.
I now think that the lack of responses to my call for information is because the majority still do not realise what the diodes do !

I think you could be right. I see all kinds of exuberance towards getting the thing going but only as a huge power amp. Not as an F5 with lots of head room for transients???
I'm not focusing on F5T or F5X right now so I'm just keepin up and helping when I can... Well, that was wrong. I am focussining on my original F5 for Low Z Loads ,. I guess that should be the F5T ver1??? Bein's I was there first, at least on this forum, I have trouble thinkin I'm on the same bandwagon as this thread???
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pass-labs/182966-f5-low-z-loads.html
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Yes.

I'm thinking balanced, 8 output transistors per quadrant, and 3 cascoded JFET's to drive them. V+ and V- would be about 35-38V, .5 amps bias per output transistor for 200W+ class A power into 8 ohms.

No diodes and more than enough peak current for Maggies. (plus lots of heat)

Graeme
 
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