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Old 26th February 2013, 07:05 PM   #281
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If he felt this way, He would have released the schematics of his amps, like XA, XA.5, M2, J2. He has not done so. There is a reason.
Pass Labs knows the reason or philosophy. Evident as a clearcut separation between the pleasure of audio DIY, and the profitable business of Pass Labs. A schematic of a successful commercial amp, or to be one is bread and butter. I look at a schematic and see glass, while another values it as a free diamond to mine and to easily profit from.
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Old 26th February 2013, 07:37 PM   #282
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If he felt this way, He would have released the schematics of his
amps, like XA, XA.5, M2, J2. He has not done so. There is a reason.
There is a reason. The primary income of myself and my partners depends
on the distribution of Pass Labs product, and it is clear that distribution does
not want to see cloning in their markets. They are the customers, and
always right

At the same time, FW doesn't worry about business volume so much, so the
policy is more lax. That said, I have stopped issuing "official" schematics for
active FW product, and remain content with spreading enough breadcrumbs
so that you guys can figure it out for yourselves. Experience is that the
cloners want to steal official schematics. If it says "ZM" in the corner, not
so much.....

Besides, a little thinking is good for you.

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Old 26th February 2013, 07:47 PM   #283
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Zen Mod. Your comment about no transformers in the lower box is perplexing. .......
yup ;

and just because Pa is even worse cheapskate than you can imagine , he's using bi-phase mains connection in XS , that way needing thinner wires and less amps in audio-grade fuses

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Besides, a little thinking is good for you.

But it hurts

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If it says "ZM" in the corner, not
so much.....


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Old 26th February 2013, 08:25 PM   #285
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ZM may become a Registered Trademark of FW.
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Old 26th February 2013, 08:51 PM   #286
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Experience is that the cloners want to steal official schematics. If it says "ZM" in the corner, not
so much.....
Ain't noooooooooooooooo body gonna want to do a clone of a ZM clone....

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a clone of a clone
Yeah, suppose every pimp walked around in a fur coat, how would that look ?
Am I right or am I right.
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Whatever its practices are, they are meant to protect itself from the other big Audio players
There you're wrong, you'd be surprised how many official schematics and/or SM's are floating, of active IP. The regular competition is not the issue.

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Yeah, suppose every pimp walked around in a fur coat, how would that look ?
Am I right or am I right.
Nooooooooooo - I said a clone of a ZM clone.... Not even the pimps would try to sell that on the street corner because they know that ZM would use baby diyAudio site to put out the word and track 'em down.....
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Old 26th February 2013, 11:52 PM   #290
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There you're wrong, you'd be surprised how many official schematics and/or SM's are floating, of active IP. The regular competition is not the issue.
Wastemark made me laugh. I agree with your valid comments above. While working for Rohm and Haas Co, it was more worried about the small-time competition than the regulars like BASF or Dupont or 3M. The latter's legitimate competing technologies were a challenge, and they didn't bother to infringe on live patents of others.

The post above by Mr. Pass may be understood as a Mission Statement. Best used by audio DIYers to guide and calibrate their attendant needs, wants, and expectations of Mr. Pass. He's got serious businesses to run.
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