Hi all
I have just built henrik's version of X-Bosoz using point to point.
Everything is as according to Henrik's plan but for the output caps I used a 47uf instead of a 33uf.
When I turn it on, it has a noise level of 2mv. This leads to audible noise from my speakers (91db).
I don't think the noise level of 2mv is normal. Under the scope it is even more drastic. The fluctuation is in 100mv with a frequency of 33khz.
Is there anyway that I can determine the source of the noise?
Cheers
Hock Hua
I have just built henrik's version of X-Bosoz using point to point.
Everything is as according to Henrik's plan but for the output caps I used a 47uf instead of a 33uf.
When I turn it on, it has a noise level of 2mv. This leads to audible noise from my speakers (91db).
I don't think the noise level of 2mv is normal. Under the scope it is even more drastic. The fluctuation is in 100mv with a frequency of 33khz.
Is there anyway that I can determine the source of the noise?
Cheers
Hock Hua
Hi CH2
I haven´t measured the noise in my xbsoz, but my guess is that it is more like 2uV than 2mV, which is too much.
My xsoz has about the same voltage gain as an Aleph-X (is that your poweramp?), and my tweeter Dynaudio D28AF has a sensitivity at about 89dB, wich is a little under your 91dB, so in broad terms it shoud be comparable to your system. When I put my ear right on the D28 I can hear some noice from the xbosoz, but at a distance at 10-20 cm it is gone, so in my setup noice isn´t a problem, so I guess somthing is going wrong in your setup, but exactly where is hard to tell.
You can get noise from resistors, caps, bad solderings and powersupplys.
What kind of resistors and caps are you useing, in PS as well as in the xbsoz?
Have you measured yor powersupply alone?
What kind of fets do you use?
I hope you will get rid of the noise, one way or the other.
Regards Henrik.
I haven´t measured the noise in my xbsoz, but my guess is that it is more like 2uV than 2mV, which is too much.
My xsoz has about the same voltage gain as an Aleph-X (is that your poweramp?), and my tweeter Dynaudio D28AF has a sensitivity at about 89dB, wich is a little under your 91dB, so in broad terms it shoud be comparable to your system. When I put my ear right on the D28 I can hear some noice from the xbosoz, but at a distance at 10-20 cm it is gone, so in my setup noice isn´t a problem, so I guess somthing is going wrong in your setup, but exactly where is hard to tell.
You can get noise from resistors, caps, bad solderings and powersupplys.
What kind of resistors and caps are you useing, in PS as well as in the xbsoz?
Have you measured yor powersupply alone?
What kind of fets do you use?
I hope you will get rid of the noise, one way or the other.
Regards Henrik.
Hi Henrik
Thanks alot for your reply. I guess could be due to bad soldering. I just started on DIY. The caps and resistor are pretty standard. As for the mosfet, I am using irf620 and 520.
I measured the PS noise, which is about 0.8mv.
I guess I will try to rebuilt the circuit again. By the way, is there any way for me to trace the source of the noise?
Thanks again for your reply.
Cheers
Hock Hua
Thanks alot for your reply. I guess could be due to bad soldering. I just started on DIY. The caps and resistor are pretty standard. As for the mosfet, I am using irf620 and 520.
I measured the PS noise, which is about 0.8mv.
I guess I will try to rebuilt the circuit again. By the way, is there any way for me to trace the source of the noise?
Thanks again for your reply.
Cheers
Hock Hua
CH2
You will allways get a little noise from powermosfets, but under normal circumstances it shoud be no problem.
As I recall, the xing of the bsoz causes a little more hiss. So while you are rebuilding, try to make the original bsoz so you can compare the noiselevel. If the xbosoz makes too much noise in your system compared to the bsoz, you can reduce the xfeedback and add some sourcedegeneration to keep the voltage gain down and still keep the X.
Your choise of fets seems okay to me.
Regards
You will allways get a little noise from powermosfets, but under normal circumstances it shoud be no problem.
As I recall, the xing of the bsoz causes a little more hiss. So while you are rebuilding, try to make the original bsoz so you can compare the noiselevel. If the xbosoz makes too much noise in your system compared to the bsoz, you can reduce the xfeedback and add some sourcedegeneration to keep the voltage gain down and still keep the X.
Your choise of fets seems okay to me.
Regards
CH2
I took a closer look at IRF620 and 520, and they seems to have too much input capacitanse, the -3db highend rolloff will be around 75 kHz and 32 kHz, which isn´t good enough. The X is very sensitive to the fets input capacitanse.
Attaced scematic with reduced feedback and some sourcedegeneration.
Regards
I took a closer look at IRF620 and 520, and they seems to have too much input capacitanse, the -3db highend rolloff will be around 75 kHz and 32 kHz, which isn´t good enough. The X is very sensitive to the fets input capacitanse.
Attaced scematic with reduced feedback and some sourcedegeneration.
Regards
CH2
Just one thing, in the scematic from 3 october 2002 I forgot to draw C3 and C4 (from Nelsons original scematic) which is caps at minimum 10000 uF, if you dont have them in you wil get a lot of noise.
One cap with plus connected to the node R101/R102/R118 and minus to Gnd, and an other one with plus to Gnd and minus to the node R104/R106/R117.
This could be your problem.
Regards Henrik.
Just one thing, in the scematic from 3 october 2002 I forgot to draw C3 and C4 (from Nelsons original scematic) which is caps at minimum 10000 uF, if you dont have them in you wil get a lot of noise.
One cap with plus connected to the node R101/R102/R118 and minus to Gnd, and an other one with plus to Gnd and minus to the node R104/R106/R117.
This could be your problem.
Regards Henrik.
Hi Henrik
Sorry for the late reply, my comp was down. Damn the virus.!!
Thanks for the pointer. I am using 880uf as according to the original circuit.
After I rebuilt the circuit, the noise is still there. I guess I must be having some really bad caps then. Will have to redo it again
Anyway, really appreciate your help.
Cheers
Hock Hua
Sorry for the late reply, my comp was down. Damn the virus.!!
Thanks for the pointer. I am using 880uf as according to the original circuit.
After I rebuilt the circuit, the noise is still there. I guess I must be having some really bad caps then. Will have to redo it again
Anyway, really appreciate your help.
Cheers
Hock Hua
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