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Old 28th January 2012, 04:26 PM   #641
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please all the world server know that caps and resistor sound different
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Old 28th January 2012, 05:02 PM   #642
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here
Ahh, i get it, you meant that cheapers buy Claritycap PWA

=> http://www.lautsprechershop.de/hifi/...acitor_pwa.htm
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Old 28th January 2012, 05:07 PM   #643
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I believe they do. THe question is not really whether or not the caps sound different, it is whether or not you can hear the difference. There are people in music that can hear and define different pitches easily, but not all of us have this ability. Even if you can, it is still about the circuit more than the parts.
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Old 28th January 2012, 07:11 PM   #644
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I believe they do. THe question is not really whether or not the caps sound different, it is whether or not you can hear the difference. There are people in music that can hear and define different pitches easily, but not all of us have this ability. Even if you can, it is still about the circuit more than the parts.
HI buzzforb you are rigth !

My personal experience confirm what I read and learning here , to hear difference need a good system (diy of course) and trained hear , no magical component only different construction and material ,you know all caps are a resistor and coils too ,are microfonic ,add distortion and vary with frequency...
the circuit is more important as you said ,I like to try different component to fine voice a taste.
unlike for my money good component sound better ,this what I found..sad
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Old 29th January 2012, 12:57 AM   #645
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Just as the Violin master builder voices his instruments so must we voice our system....hearing and discerning is so subjective.

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Old 29th January 2012, 01:38 AM   #646
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ah, you are saying quality is a 'subjective'
yeah, I suppose it is
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Old 30th January 2012, 02:20 PM   #647
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Contrary to popular opinion our senses are not hard wired. For example our sense of vision only has certain colours hard wired from birth such as the colour blue but other colours and shades are learned as we grow and our ability to see colours has been linked to our vocabulary. The greater our descriptive vocabulary for colours, the greater is our ability to identify different colours and shades of colour. There is no reason why our other senses shouldn’t be the same such as our hearing. Those who spend time describing small changes in sound (as a result of component changes for example) because they write about such things or are just interested enough to make notes about such changes will use an extensive vocabulary compared to the casual listener and may well actually be able to hear differences we have been talking about here.
People who enjoy wine do the same thing in describing what they sense and improving their vocabulary hence improving their sense of smell.

However, it has been noted that no two people probably see the same colours when they look at something so it is likely that we can apply the same principle to listening. None of us will hear exactly what someone else hears but a good ear should be able to tell the difference between one sound and another (if there is one of course).
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Old 30th January 2012, 03:32 PM   #648
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If you watch the coloures of a rainbow you will see a ditribution of many different colours but no single one, it is simply physical due to the light refraction and depending on the angle of view etc. Thus nobody can really see or define, or exactly describe the colour he perceive.
Similar it is with our listening perception. Because many different influences as sound reflection, different hear habits, hear/listen training etc. etc. have an influence on our sound and listening perception.
In addition only few people have the complex vocabulary needed do describe and differentiate the complex perception of f.e. music.
But this will not automatically mean that a human person is not capable to perceive even slight variations on the sound or more or less micro informations in the music which probably are caused from different components in an electronic design used, specifically capacitors.
Since many years I'm building electronic devices as audio phono amps, line pre-amps, power amps, filters etc, as well as loudspeakers.

Sometimes - or even more frequently - and depending on my actual mood, I try to implement different components and am most of the time surprised when friends f.e. musiscians or audio hobby friends visits me and prior to any announcement from my side often immediately remark that some thing in my system has been changed.

To summarize, many people with trained ears for music listening are able to perceive even small differences and this even after a certain disruption time, but it is difficult for the majority to desribe exactly the changes in their musical perception.
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Old 30th January 2012, 03:47 PM   #649
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Hi Backbones, hi Gerd,

nice writings.....they take away some pressure in speaking with friends or "enemies" over the sound of components...
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Old 9th February 2012, 05:35 AM   #650
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For those of you who have built the BA-3, what part did you use for the pots? I cannot find anything on mouser and digikey that is similar to what Papa has shown in the article.
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