"SiC Puppy SE Amp Using Semisouth 085 JFET - diyAudio
Go Back   Home > Forums > Amplifiers > Pass Labs

Pass Labs This forum is dedicated to Pass Labs discussion.

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11th July 2011, 08:13 PM   #1
diyAudio Member
 
wrenchone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Silicon Valley
Default "SiC Puppy SE Amp Using Semisouth 085 JFET

Attached is a photo of the first proto of an SE amplifier( the "SiC Puppy") using the Semisouth 085 silicon carbide JFET in the output stage. The front end uses the Supertex DN2540N5 depletion mode mosfet. I choose the Semisouth part over the IXYS depletion mode parts due to the extra headroom afforded by the 1200V rating, allowing me to choose B+ voltages with a bit more freedom. The circuit (to follow) is set up just as if the two parts were pentodes, with partial feedback from the output drain to the input drain, plus a limited amount of global feedback (disconnected at firtst. I used the One Electron UBT-1 1.6k transformer because I had a pair on hand. The output stage bias is set for the maximum primary current rating of the UBT-1 (150 ma). Next is a power-up with a DC supply to chcek stability of the output bias.
The heat sink is one of Papa Zen's giveaways from the very first Burning Amp in October 2007. I'm thinking of running the amp in a dual mono configuration using a pair of ~150VA step-up/isolation tansformers, which when configured for 230V output and rectified will give me ~320VDC B+. There is an on-board capacitance multiplier for ripple reduction, feeding a 270uF bulk capacitor.

More to come - this is just the first heads-up.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg SiC_Puppy.jpg (242.4 KB, 2020 views)
  Reply With Quote
Old 11th July 2011, 08:16 PM   #2
49 - for the 18th time
diyAudio Member
 
c2cthomas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Near "Music City" (Nashville Tennessee)
Quote:
Originally Posted by wrenchone View Post
I'm thinking of running the amp in a dual mono configuration using a pair of ~150VA step-up/isolation tansformers, which when configured for 230V output and rectified will give me ~320VDC B+.
320VDC fer solid state??? Whhhhhhhhaaaaaat!!!!
__________________
DIY audio can be expensive but getting to see things go up in smoke - that's priceless!!!! ..... "whatever - call it brainfart of Mighty ZM"
  Reply With Quote
Old 11th July 2011, 08:20 PM   #3
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: May 2001
Blog Entries: 5
I think ABFAB has a new member.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11th July 2011, 08:36 PM   #4
diyAudio Member
 
digits's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Can't wait for schematic, I have a few of those 1200V fets
  Reply With Quote
Old 11th July 2011, 08:39 PM   #5
diyAudio Member
 
wrenchone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Silicon Valley
C2 - You can go ahead and run that 1200V part at 12V if it makes you feel better....
This was an exercise to sub some new generation semiconductors into a basic tube circuit. Others are trying the Semisouth part with a special wound transformer (300 ohms, I think) that will allow operation at lower voltage, higher current. I happened to have a pair of One Electron UBT-1s (1.6k, 150 mA) on hand. If the circuit sounds decent, I also have a pair of the monster Triode Electronics 1250 ohm, 30W SE transformers on hand. The Semisouth parts should exploit their full capability. They also have an ultralinear tap, so I could try some "E-linear" type circuits using one of the higher voltage IXYS depletion mode parts for an input device.

Last edited by wrenchone; 11th July 2011 at 08:48 PM. Reason: sp
  Reply With Quote
Old 11th July 2011, 08:44 PM   #6
diyAudio Member
 
digits's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
They are pretty solid devices, I currently use one switched at a bit over 60k to create an LED driver from 240VAC rectified, I think it reads something like 372VDC with no LED connected and 44VDC with the LED. and that from the little DPAK SMD version.
  Reply With Quote
Old 11th July 2011, 09:41 PM   #7
49 - for the 18th time
diyAudio Member
 
c2cthomas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Near "Music City" (Nashville Tennessee)
Quote:
Originally Posted by wrenchone View Post
C2 - You can go ahead and run that 1200V part at 12V if it makes you feel better....
eh - I've played with tube and HV for a looooooog time - so 320VDC isn't something I would be afraid of. Ya just don't see that sortta voltage around SS devices very often. I haven't paid much attention to the uses of that particular device - you got my attention.
__________________
DIY audio can be expensive but getting to see things go up in smoke - that's priceless!!!! ..... "whatever - call it brainfart of Mighty ZM"
  Reply With Quote
Old 13th July 2011, 12:32 AM   #8
diyAudio Member
 
wrenchone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Silicon Valley
One thing I've found out from this exercise so far is that it pays to read the data sheets closely. The Semisouth 085 part has a rather large gate leakage (~100 uA!!!!!), so you don't have a lot of freedom regarding gate pull-down resistance and interstage coupling caps. This I discovered after my prototype ran away at high input voltage. To make a long story short, you need to have a gate pulldown of 10k or less if you want to play with linear operation at high drain voltage. I had 330k instead, so the runaway was understandable. This means you need a hefty interstage coupling cap. Fortunately, I have some suitable 3uF, 450V polypropylene caps hanging around at home. These and the proper pulldowns will go into my prototype tomorrow. With all the proper stuff in place, the source should be running 7-8V above the gate at 150mA drain current, 300V drain voltage. I may also use aluminum oxide insulators for better thermal coupling and dielectric peace of mind, but I'll have to order those.
  Reply With Quote
Old 13th July 2011, 02:32 AM   #9
The one and only
 
Nelson Pass's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
You will want to characterize individual parts at the voltages, currents and
temperature in order to know the actual Gate leakage. There is variation,
so you can select for low leakage - I have some at 1 uA and some at over
200 uA. So far this only appears to be an issue with regards to the output
impedance of the bias circuit.

  Reply With Quote
Old 13th July 2011, 02:45 AM   #10
diyAudio Member
 
wrenchone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Silicon Valley
Nice (but not so comforting to know) that the leakage varies such that you can select for a low leakage part. Sounds like SemiSouth is still in the "Wild West" stage of development. I'll just use the 10k and 3uF for right now and sleep soundly - I most likely have gain to burn in both stages of my amp, so the first stage loading may not matter that much. I could fix all of this by adding a follower stage. I may try this in subsequent revs of the circuit so I can mix low voltage and high voltage technology. I do it all the time with tubes so that I can run AB2 or A2 without too much pain, so it's not a real stretch to use similar measures in this project.
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
SemiSouth SiC JFET from $16/pc, shipping NOW! zhoufang Vendor's Bazaar 42 24th July 2012 06:11 AM
SemiSouth SiC Power JFETs RocketScientist Solid State 105 19th February 2012 08:02 PM
Semisouth SiC JFETs: SJEP120R100 or SJEP170R550 better for building amp? zhoufang Pass Labs 32 2nd September 2010 05:41 AM
new SemiSouth SJDP120R085 "normally on" JFET zhoufang Pass Labs 11 8th June 2010 04:41 AM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 02:59 PM.


vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 1999-2014 diyAudio

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2