Pass 250.5 oscillation?

Allen Wright · 20th March 2010, 11:54 AM

Hi,
We have sold a Pass 250/5owner a pair of our CopperFoil speaker cables and he reports the amp gets very hot with a slight burning smell after playing an hour.

Our cables are parallel foil construction, similar in concept to the Goertz cables from AlphaCore, and certainly have high capacitance.

Is the 250.5 sensitive to cable capacitance? And if so, is there a fix? We are in Switzerland but the amp owner's in Italy so we can't easily do anything ourselves.

Regards, Allen (Vacuum State)

Nelson Pass · 20th March 2010, 08:23 PM

That's a possibility, but it could be anything. Have you tried
other cables?

Allen Wright · 21st March 2010, 12:33 AM

Yes, of course. Theclient has had the Pass amp for some time with no apparent problems, but only got our cables this week.

Any suggestions?

Regards, Allen

stoolpigeon · 21st March 2010, 12:57 AM

You can put a zobel network across the speaker terminals. I believe details are on the Alpha Core website.

A friend of mine had this problem with a Classe amp and a high capacitance Supra cable. Not sure what it does to the sound though.

I also recall the Max Townshend flat cables had a built in network to stop this happening.

sp

Allen Wright · 21st March 2010, 12:36 PM

Stoolpigeon,
Thanks for the suggestion to look atAlphaCore's site. But I looked all through their site, and then all through their assciated Goertz site - with no hint of a Zobel network suggestion.

If posible,can you give me any more info, on where I can find this data?

Regards, Allen

stoolpigeon · 21st March 2010, 01:03 PM

Allen,

look here on p3

http://www.audioxpress.com/reviews/m...hansen1203.pdf

sp

Allen Wright · 21st March 2010, 01:34 PM

SP, thanks again, but your suggested link comes up dead.

So I went to the AudioXpress site to take a different look and no review of Goertz cable is listed.

Further help?

Regards, Allen

stoolpigeon · 21st March 2010, 01:52 PM

Allen,

check your Vacuum State e-mail.

sp

Nelson Pass · 21st March 2010, 07:10 PM

I don't recall having PL amps oscillate into speaker cables,
including the Goertz, but I know that they are on the "list"
with a number of manufacturers.

A real possibility is a fault such as a short.

In either case, if the amp is running hot, presumably the
meter will show the excess current. You can compare it
in operation with and without the loads connected.

wayne325 · 22nd March 2010, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nelson Pass

A real possibility is a fault such as a short.

This is what I was thinking as I was reading thru this thread....

I was also thinking that if one was having difficulty with a product, one might
check with the mfr directly as a first go rather than airing it out in public as
a starting point.

20th March 2010, 11:54 AM	#1
Allen Wright R.I.P. Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Schaffhausen Switzerland	Pass 250.5 oscillation? Hi, We have sold a Pass 250/5owner a pair of our CopperFoil speaker cables and he reports the amp gets very hot with a slight burning smell after playing an hour. Our cables are parallel foil construction, similar in concept to the Goertz cables from AlphaCore, and certainly have high capacitance. Is the 250.5 sensitive to cable capacitance? And if so, is there a fix? We are in Switzerland but the amp owner's in Italy so we can't easily do anything ourselves. Regards, Allen (Vacuum State)

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20th March 2010, 08:23 PM	#2
Nelson Pass The one and only Join Date: Mar 2001	That's a possibility, but it could be anything. Have you tried other cables?

21st March 2010, 12:33 AM	#3
Allen Wright R.I.P. Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Schaffhausen Switzerland	Yes, of course. Theclient has had the Pass amp for some time with no apparent problems, but only got our cables this week. Any suggestions? Regards, Allen

21st March 2010, 12:57 AM	#4
stoolpigeon diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Laputa	You can put a zobel network across the speaker terminals. I believe details are on the Alpha Core website. A friend of mine had this problem with a Classe amp and a high capacitance Supra cable. Not sure what it does to the sound though. I also recall the Max Townshend flat cables had a built in network to stop this happening. sp

21st March 2010, 12:36 PM	#5
Allen Wright R.I.P. Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Schaffhausen Switzerland	Stoolpigeon, Thanks for the suggestion to look atAlphaCore's site. But I looked all through their site, and then all through their assciated Goertz site - with no hint of a Zobel network suggestion. If posible,can you give me any more info, on where I can find this data? Regards, Allen

21st March 2010, 01:03 PM	#6
stoolpigeon diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Laputa	Allen, look here on p3 http://www.audioxpress.com/reviews/m...hansen1203.pdf sp

21st March 2010, 01:34 PM	#7
Allen Wright R.I.P. Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Schaffhausen Switzerland	SP, thanks again, but your suggested link comes up dead. So I went to the AudioXpress site to take a different look and no review of Goertz cable is listed. Further help? Regards, Allen

21st March 2010, 01:52 PM	#8
stoolpigeon diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Laputa	Allen, check your Vacuum State e-mail. sp

21st March 2010, 07:10 PM	#9
Nelson Pass The one and only Join Date: Mar 2001	I don't recall having PL amps oscillate into speaker cables, including the Goertz, but I know that they are on the "list" with a number of manufacturers. A real possibility is a fault such as a short. In either case, if the amp is running hot, presumably the meter will show the excess current. You can compare it in operation with and without the loads connected.

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