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Old 16th September 2011, 04:55 AM   #311
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The Farnell socket looks like it's a better quality - at times, you do more or less get what you pay for. Instead of removing contacts (a direct solution - I still may do that), I marked the socket with white splotches indicating orientation). I may still amputate contacts... Chop, chop (think first, chop later...)

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Thanks for the info - that makes it easy now - off to market and get sock(et)ed!
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Old 18th September 2011, 08:17 PM   #313
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Default Resistor on output

Hi everyone,

I've spent a little time this afternoon fiddling with one of my versions of this preamp, and I found something I don't understand. (Again....)

Referring to the schematic in post #28, C4 (with C10, C11) and R9 (with the input impedance of whatever it's connected to taken into account, I guess) form a high-pass filter, blocking any DC. (Right?)

But what is R20's role? Is it a "safety resistor", as NP referred to something similar in his B1 article? And if so, how do you decide on its value? I notice that Juma changed the original 33R to 15R in the 2SK170 version in post #283, but why?

Apart from just wanting to understand, I would like to switch R20 for something a bit better quality I have kicking around, and am wondering what replacing the 33R with 56R would change (except for some loss of volume, I presume). I should add that I am not using C10/C11, and have a 10uF polypropylene in place of C4. I could just try it and see, of course, but I like to understand things when possible.

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Old 18th September 2011, 09:05 PM   #314
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...what is R20's role? ....
R20 is there to isolate the input capacitance of the next stage (including interconnects). We don't want to load the preamp with pure capacitance...

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Hi Juma,

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R20 is there to isolate the input capacitance of the next stage (including interconnects). We don't want to load the preamp with pure capacitance...
OK, I can see part of that - R20 would form a low-pass filter with the input capacitance (say Cin), and hence the value of R20 (say R)$ would determine the frequency of the filter - but I don't see how that would determine the value, since the input capacitance is surely pretty low, and hence the frequency (1/2(pi)R*Cin) is certainly high enough not for audio, isn't it?

Is 33R just a sensible balance between "not loading with pure capacitance" and not losing too much gain? If so then 56 R should work just fine, right?

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two 56R in parallel are even better



just take it as counter measure for ultrasonic oscillations , and (inter)connecting procedure safety

don't go above 33R - it directly adds to preamp output impedance
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Old 18th September 2011, 09:59 PM   #317
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two 56R in parallel are even better

Unfortunately I only have two of them - they were left over from another project. Not a problem - I was hoping to fire up my soldering iron and tweak the preamp a little this evening, but I can always put a couple of 33R on my next parts order and do it some other time.

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just take it as counter measure for ultrasonic oscillations , and (inter)connecting procedure safety
Ah, the point being that the low pass filter deals with the "ultrasonics", and has nothing to do with the audio band, as I (incorrectly) thought above...

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Thanks ZM, and Juma, for the help.

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well - put there anything from 10 to 47 Ohms

whatever you have in drawer
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Old 18th September 2011, 10:33 PM   #319
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well - put there anything from 10 to 47 Ohms

whatever you have in drawer
I'm searching through the drawer as we speak... Trouble is that I usually use cheap no-name resistors I can get locally - for learning and having fun they're fine (and the 33R that are in the preamp now work just fine), but I suspect for critical points like this it would sound a little better to use something of more reliable quality. (Although I'm not a great believer in boutique parts...) The 56R I found are PRP but, as you say, too large a value.

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Old 18th September 2011, 10:37 PM   #320
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it depends ;

if next stage ( amp ) isn't current hungry ( low input impedance and/or capacitance ) , everything up to 100R is OK

maybe best thing for test is to put shortie instead ; that's best resistor - isn't it ?

but - I'm not expecting that you are going to hear too much difference
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