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Old 14th June 2009, 09:06 PM   #21
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It is quite comical to see ....questions about the normal version arise in this thread

No its not

But thanks anyway, for a proper answer
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Old 14th June 2009, 09:37 PM   #22
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hi guys.

any pcb`s group buy?
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Old 14th June 2009, 09:43 PM   #23
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Tomorrow Crt is going to send me the files. If he agrees, and there is someone willing to undertake the PCB group buy, its fine by me.
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Old 15th June 2009, 05:35 AM   #24
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Hi, I could organise something like that but IMO the PCB still is not fully finished but maybe I am too demanding. I would like to see the rectifiers moved to the upper left corner where the transformer is normally located and that inputs and outputs find a more practical place. So outputs at the back of the PCB/case and inputs at the front/volume potentiometer side. IMHO the muting relay should be there and I would not mind to have the volume potentiometer and 4 source relays on the PCB as well.

As can be concluded from the comments the shunt supplies are much better than 317/337 regs so this was a big step in the right direction. I won't argue about higher power consumption anymore
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Old 15th June 2009, 06:09 PM   #25
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Here is a small tip to reduce noise further in this circuit :

With input signal grounded and well matched FETs, the circuit is essentially two identical current sources connected to both rails and the output.

However, change in Vds (e.g. due to supply rail noise) also causes a slight change in Id, be it much less than change in Vgs. If, however, noise from both rails is symmetrical about ground, they induce the same Id change on both JFETs, and hence cancels mutually with no effect on the output.

How can that be implemented ?

Use a single power supply, say 30V, the positive of which connected to the positive rail, and the negative to the negative rail. Create an active ground by a voltage divider using two equal resistors (e.g. 10k). Connect the tap point of the divider to an opamp, and use the output as ground. Now you have a PS of +/-15V.

Most opamps can deliver 20mA with ease, so there is no problem with current delivering capabilities.

You'll be amazed how quiet it can get.




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Old 15th June 2009, 09:44 PM   #26
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Yeah, that seems way simpler than that shunt supply stuff. Couldnt you even just use TLE2426 as here: http://tangentsoft.net/elec/vgrounds.html , or does the symmetrical B1 need more than 20-40mA?
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Old 15th June 2009, 09:58 PM   #27
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See attached, the noise floor relative to 0dB=1VRMS calibrated, and THD of my P2P symmetric. I don't see why I would want to put an op amp in the psu to imitate ground so to chase noise further. What noise? With shunts, it sounds even better.
Virtual ground via divider, exists in normal B1 with extra input RC filtering BTW.
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Old 16th June 2009, 03:51 AM   #28
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> Virtual ground via divider, exists in normal B1 with extra input RC filtering BTW.

Yeh, I wonder why. And I thought you want to get rid of the coupling caps ??

> I don't see why I would want to put an op amp in the psu to imitate ground so to chase noise further.

Your choice.

This circuit, especially with split rails, came from JC decades ago. I have been using various versions for at least the last 5 years, with 2SK170s, BF862s, LU1014s, ...., using batteries, Walt Jung regs, shunt regs, ....... you name it.

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Some other Source Follower COnfigurations

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...20#post1592820

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...43#post1130743


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Old 16th June 2009, 06:59 AM   #29
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As usual great work salas.
I hope a group buy is planned for this pcb.
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Your choice.

This circuit, especially with split rails, came from JC decades ago. I have been using various versions for at least the last 5 years, with 2SK170s, BF862s, LU1014s, ...., using batteries, Walt Jung regs, shunt regs, ....... you name it.


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I never add circuitry when there is no pressing need. Your proposal is functional, I don't doubt it, but I prefer not to fix what is not broken in the first place. Thanks Patrick.
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