Does that qualify as "X" ?

Bernhard · 16th March 2009, 01:17 PM

I'm just curious, does that circlotron qualify as X ?

X resistor is marked with red X.

Bernhard · 16th March 2009, 11:13 PM

Nobody ?

For a +/- 20V swing into 8 ohms I was able to tune a slightly modified circuit's harmonics from initial -60 dB down to -85 dB without the X.

With X added down to -105 dB and for a +/- 2V swing down to -140 dB.

In virtual reality

Bernhard · 17th March 2009, 01:07 PM

I found that the boost from -85dB to -105 dB happened only after the modification of adding additional feedback & X connections.
The X resistors are becoming very value sensitive with a +20 dB performance peak at a certain point, while with only one X connection the values seem to be not very important.

There are now high impedance feedback connections from the output stage to every arm of the differential input amps, and low impedance feedback connections to every leg of the differential input amps.

The X connections may be like in the schematic or also crossed between the legs.

However, I'm not sure what will happen in the real world.

Bernhard · 17th March 2009, 01:34 PM

Now... is that an X ?

EUVL · 17th March 2009, 05:13 PM

Here is a simplier X-Circlotron :

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...481#post923481

Built multiple versions with Toshiba & IRF MOSFETs. Sounds great.
(My usual bias !!)

Patrick

Bernhard · 24th March 2009, 12:54 AM

Schematic in #1 updated.

All perform more or less equal.

Any comment ?

Bernhard · 24th March 2009, 02:02 PM

Ok, so I think this is not "X" because I have at least three feedback connections on each side.

Nelson Pass · 24th March 2009, 07:55 PM

I don't know - it doesn't fit on my screen, and anyway
its got more than three parts in it.

Bernhard · 25th March 2009, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nelson Pass
I don't know - it doesn't fit on my screen, and anyway
its got more than three parts in it.

Master, I hear your voice.

My circuit is to complicated.*

Just removed the VAS.

*less is more

Bernhard · 25th March 2009, 08:50 PM

Schematic in post #1 updated, with VAS removed.

I will try also with only one differential input amp again.

Any suggestions ?

Cascodes ?

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16th March 2009, 01:17 PM	#1
Bernhard diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Munich	Does that qualify as "X" ? I'm just curious, does that circlotron qualify as X ? X resistor is marked with red X.

16th March 2009, 11:13 PM	#2
Bernhard diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Munich	Nobody ? For a +/- 20V swing into 8 ohms I was able to tune a slightly modified circuit's harmonics from initial -60 dB down to -85 dB without the X. With X added down to -105 dB and for a +/- 2V swing down to -140 dB. In virtual reality

17th March 2009, 01:07 PM	#3
Bernhard diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Munich	I found that the boost from -85dB to -105 dB happened only after the modification of adding additional feedback & X connections. The X resistors are becoming very value sensitive with a +20 dB performance peak at a certain point, while with only one X connection the values seem to be not very important. There are now high impedance feedback connections from the output stage to every arm of the differential input amps, and low impedance feedback connections to every leg of the differential input amps. The X connections may be like in the schematic or also crossed between the legs. However, I'm not sure what will happen in the real world.

17th March 2009, 01:34 PM	#4
Bernhard diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Munich	Now... is that an X ?

17th March 2009, 05:13 PM	#5
EUVL diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2003	Here is a simplier X-Circlotron : http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...481#post923481 Built multiple versions with Toshiba & IRF MOSFETs. Sounds great. (My usual bias !!) Patrick

24th March 2009, 12:54 AM	#6
Bernhard diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Munich	Schematic in #1 updated. All perform more or less equal. Any comment ?

24th March 2009, 02:02 PM	#7
Bernhard diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Munich	Ok, so I think this is not "X" because I have at least three feedback connections on each side.

24th March 2009, 07:55 PM	#8
Nelson Pass The one and only Join Date: Mar 2001	I don't know - it doesn't fit on my screen, and anyway its got more than three parts in it.

25th March 2009, 08:50 PM	#10
Bernhard diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Munich	Schematic in post #1 updated, with VAS removed. I will try also with only one differential input amp again. Any suggestions ? Cascodes ?

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