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Old 8th March 2009, 04:08 AM   #11
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This one is $148,000 used.

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....e-NL-Reference
Living in Chicago, I could hire an ensemble from the Chicago Symphony Orchestra to play in my living room many times for that kind of money. They would probably have a life-like and 3D sound......
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Old 9th March 2009, 01:57 AM   #12
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from description in audiogon " output 24 npn bipolar transistors"
you got to be kidding me $148,000 for a lousy quasi-complimentary design? Edge gear is impressive looking I'll give it that

One: How did you arrive at the sum of $148,000? I just checked and the auction is still sitting at $21k.
Two: Edge? Er...try Threshold.


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Also lot of power... like 100 amps is like OMG, you need a dedicated second house power line just for it)

I bet my amp power supply is better and my amp has better specs... but just imagine 100 amp power it must compensate somewhere
Why not?

Grollins : you make me totally jealous... how do you store you wine???


One: You're losing sight of the fact that this is higher current at a lower voltage. That's what power transformers do...trade voltage for current.
Two: If you believe that THD is everything then go with Nikko stuff from the '70s.
Three: This one is so simple it hurts. Build a wine cellar? No. Buy a dedicated wine chiller? No. Get a second-hand refrigerator and put an external thermostat on it. Yes. You can get the fridge for free and the external thermostat for about $30-40. Ta-da! Storage for about 200 bottles for the cost of the thermostat. I have multiple modified fridges sitting side-by-side in my basement.


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Living in Chicago, I could hire an ensemble from the Chicago Symphony Orchestra to play in my living room many times for that kind of money. They would probably have a life-like and 3D sound......

And how many times could you pay John Coltrane to come play for you?
Zero. He's dead.
Jimi Hendrix?
Zero. He's dead.
Rachmaninoff at the piano?
Zero. He's dead.
And the full Chicago Symphony Orchestra...even assuming that your house was big enough to hold them all?
Aaargh!
Think, people, think!

Grey
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Old 9th March 2009, 03:00 AM   #13
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Actually the ad claims that the new price is $148,000.00
sorry for adding the cents column but I don,t see the sense in this way way over the top gear. 800 watts into 8 ohms is a lot but certainly not unheard of even going back as far as the Mac MC3500 which if I remember correctly (it's been over 20 years since Several of us hoisted one onto my bench) would do something around 1.2kw. The edge amps do get good reviews in the rags though.
Is this the greatest hobby or what!
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Old 9th March 2009, 03:18 AM   #14
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If you think it's all about wattage, then substitute something like Phase Linear for Nikko in my comment above and be happy with mid-fi sound.
There are people who think that $2.99/bottle wine is as good as it gets. My point of view is thus: By all means, feel free to drink $2.99 wine. But what on earth do you gain by criticizing those who spend (gasp!) $29.99 on a bottle?
Last night I had a Californian cabernet sauvignon. Tonight, I had a '95 Bordeaux. (Anniversary of my daughter coming home from the hospital after being born. She spent ages in NICU; in pre-technological times, we'd have lost her.) I don't drink wines like this every night. In fact, most nights we drink something like Yellow Tail, but that doesn't mean I don't know that there are better things out there. I have self-imposed limits as to how much I'll spend on a bottle of wine, but that doesn't mean that I criticize those who choose--and can afford--to spend more.
Sounds like sour grapes (...ahem...) to me.

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Old 9th March 2009, 04:01 AM   #15
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to clarify something:

the 3rd post in this thread links to a $148,000 used amp, and then
someone else made a comment about that amp, not the Thresholds.
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Old 9th March 2009, 04:19 AM   #16
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I drink Yellow Tail for the same reasons, but it is basically good enough to keep me quite happy most of the time. (I'm talking about their Shiraz actually.) The Edge at $148K or the Threshold at $21K (although there are a bunch of them) is a little bit rich for my blood. My entire diy system and the renovation costs of the room it lives in is significantly less than the lower price listed. I think at this price point relative exclusivity starts to play a pretty significant role in the purchasing decisions of those with the resources to play at this price point. In all likelihood the speakers paired with such an amplifier would be very limited production exotics from one of the current Stereophile Class A speaker recommendations and might cost even more.. I have heard systems that retailed at more than 10X what it cost me to build my entire system including learning and making a few mistakes along the way. These systems offered a level of fit and finish (and industrial design) that I could not reasonably hope to match with my skill levels, but to my considerable surprise what I heard was not necessarily something that I would want to live with long term. In many cases the high costs of this sort of gear primes expectations, and I suspect the dealers and prospective owners often ascribe qualities to this level of gear that frankly most mere mortals (trained audiophile or not) would be hard pressed to identify.

The Edge is well regarded amongst those who can afford the extreme high end, some of whom I respect. Statement products generally are very limited production, have much engineering and design resources lavished on them, use materials, and components that are carefully selected and represent the best that the designer/manufacturer knows how to make at the time. A lot of the knowledge and experience acquired from these products does over time percolate to lower price points, and best all most of this stuff holds its value over time as well as a sieve holds water, and someone will benefit from yesterday's hot item at some ridiculously small % of the current price some years down the road - and the kicker is that what replaced it will not necessarily be better at most things.

Very small outfits will often also focus on statement type products because the volume of product they can produce will not generate sufficient profit margin on more reasonably priced gear or they simply lack the resources to manufacture anything in volume sufficient to generate the required revenue.
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Old 9th March 2009, 01:35 PM   #17
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didnt think about this one...

and what about humidity control ? how you get it right, and air circulation to stop mushrooms from getting into the bottle and change the taste ?

I am looking for something good enough to store my wine for 20 years
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Old 9th March 2009, 03:03 PM   #18
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Default sorry for confusion the Edge amp not the threshold

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to clarify something:

the 3rd post in this thread links to a $148,000 used amp, and then
someone else made a comment about that amp, not the Thresholds.
Right good call I think most of here would slobber all over ourselves at the prospect of picking up a threshold at a good price. But when I see an amp that lists all npn bipolar output, that tells me Iam seeing a quasicomplementary, class ab, push-pull design,
Could be single ended I suppose but at 800wattts into 8 ohms, 3200 watts into 2 ohms thats not very likely. I would tend to take the "show me the goods " attitude.
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Old 9th March 2009, 03:06 PM   #19
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Its class AB ... a class A of 800 watts would take very huge heatsinks.

I prefer class AB for economy of energy
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Old 9th March 2009, 04:34 PM   #20
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Default sundries and good writing

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I've enjoyed reading your musing this morning and they brought to mind the fluidity of one of my favorite philosophers- Alan Watts-Are you familar with him? I've just introduced my 15 yr old to "the Wisdom of Insecurity" and thus he was on my mind.
thanks for brightening my day
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