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Old 7th November 2008, 04:54 PM   #1
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Default Aleph 2 "thump"

Hi all,

Today, I tested my A2 pcb's on a 1/6th scaled down test rig. For power, I used 2 lab bench power supplies set at 54V 1.5A, and in stead of the high power output stage (the part in the schematic which is multiplied by 6), I used a temporary setup using only 1 pair of fets. (So current drawn by the circuit was just over 0.5A) The load was a single 10 ohm power resistor.

The circuit runs perfectly. I have the mosfets in the differential stage matched up to <10mV, as well as all other semiconductor devices. At first measurements, there seems to be very little channel imbalance between the two PCB's

Still there is an issue. There appears to be a large transient when switching on and off the amplifiers. I have attached a scope screenshot from the OFF-thump, which was the worst one compared to the ON-thump.

I am not sure what causes this thump. Of course it could be the setup, since the two lab supplies were not linked, and the two power output devices were not matched at all.

Or perhaps is this behaviour normal for Aleph Amps? Or should I look for an error in the pcb?

Thanks,

Bouke

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Yellow trace: Positive Supply Rail
Blue trace: Negaive Supply Rail
Pink Trace: Output Voltage
Green trace: Output Current
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This is the ON-thump. It's slightly more benevolent than the OFF-thump, but also takes longer to diminish

The screenshot:
Yellow trace: Positive Supply Rail
Blue trace: Negaive Supply Rail
Pink Trace: Output Voltage
Green trace: Output Current
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Old 7th November 2008, 05:06 PM   #3
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And for reference: a picture from the test setup, not showing the bench power supplies.

Note this is the first public picture from my amp in progress... WARNING! May contain audio adult content
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Old 7th November 2008, 05:16 PM   #4
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Alephs are generally sensitive ( regarding thumps ) only on amount of capacitance in parallel with zener diode , which is in biasing part of input LTP CCS ; if you stay with Papa's prescribed values for that cap , everything is fine

I resume that you have problems with different time constants in your two independent supplies

ppl use these dreky amps even for Lowthers and similar "fragile" spks .... that tells something ....
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That was what I was expecting yes... As you may see in the OFF-plot the negative rail does not come down to 0V immediately as the positive rail does.

I think I'll have to do the test once more when I have it connected to the intended Power Supply.

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Old 7th November 2008, 05:37 PM   #6
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you'll know more (regarding actual PSUs ) if you swap them between + and - leg
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Originally posted by Bakmeel

About the screenshot:
Yellow trace: Positive Supply Rail
Blue trace: Negaive Supply Rail
Pink Trace: Output Voltage
Green trace: Output Current
That's typical.
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That's typical.
I'm sorry mr. Pass, I don't understand your answer.
What is typical about the screenshot?
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The thump is normal. It is to be expected.

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