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Old 4th October 2007, 07:03 AM   #1
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Default Has the Pass Labs patent for Aleph 5 expired?

No doubt this has been posted before but there is a chap selling Aleph 5's on Ebay. DiyGene. How does he get away with this?

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Old 4th October 2007, 06:30 PM   #2
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DIY Gene on eBay - Aleph 5 boards
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Old 4th October 2007, 07:54 PM   #3
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Ebay has been unresponsive to our complaints about DIYGene.
Today one of our attorneys will more formally take up the case
with Ebay.

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Old 4th October 2007, 09:46 PM   #4
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My recollection is that patents are good for 17 years. So, no, the patent has not expired.
If my brain has malfunctioned about the 17 year figure, I'm sure someone will be along shortly to say so.

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Old 5th October 2007, 12:34 AM   #5
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25 years, as far as I know.

And only valid in the country of application, i.e. in the USA in case of the patent for the Aleph current source.

PS I do not support stealing intellectual properties for commercial gains, but I also want to mention what the law says. One year after the inventor applied for a patent in a certain country, he has the right to apply for the same worldwide. If he chooses not to do so, he has no protection in those other countries. The company I work for applies for key patents in up to 8 key countries for each important invention. Costs a lot of money, but there is no other way round.

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Old 5th October 2007, 05:24 AM   #6
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With 35 years of experience I can tell you that patents are nice,
but trademarks are where the action is. Easier to obtain, easier
to defend.

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Old 5th October 2007, 06:25 AM   #7
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Patents schmattents . Open up a showroom on 5th Ave in Manhattan. Pass Labs would be the biggest thing since sliced bread.
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Old 5th October 2007, 06:27 AM   #8
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Patents are like nuclear missiles. If there is a cold war between big guys, each would have to have about equal amount of them to stop the other having ideas. A waste of money really and only feeds the lawyers.

Very occasionally a small guy with a really good patent might get one of the big guys, but you've got to have guts AND bucks to fight your stand.


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Old 5th October 2007, 07:41 AM   #9
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"And only valid in the country of application, i.e. in the USA in case of the patent for the Aleph current source."

My knowledge of Patent law is sorely lacking but I would think laws are being broken if the stolen IP is being offered for sale in the USA. Perhaps the way around this is that it is being posted off shore but it still stinks and Ebay needs to tighten things up.


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Old 5th October 2007, 02:39 PM   #10
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Originally posted by Paulcocom
"............................. Ebay needs to tighten things up................
It's strange how Ebay works.......

I tried to sell some legitimate disks of a Microsoft product, ie genuine microsoft product.

The listing was removed within a day !!


Yet some vendors apparently get away with almost anything !!!!!!

I suppose it depends on who you are.
Microsoft has more influence than Nelson Pass regardless of the rights or wrongs of the case.

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