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Old 22nd October 2002, 04:06 PM   #21
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Default INTO PERSPECTIVE

Fred,

I can't agree more.Silly game,me too feeling.
Nonsense of course.
I can give you on a silver platter that 90% of the so called audio superbrand stuff is actually sourced by some smart ***** somewhere browsing through industrial catalogues.
This is especially true for coupling caps.
You know how the industry works but should we really tell everybody else?
Come to think of it this goes for electron tubes and semi conductors as well:rebranding business equals big bucks.
Why don't we put together a list of lesser known brands of say capicitors that sound at least as good as the flavour of the day stuff.
I know I could,eeeasy.
The audio industry is not going to love us for it though.
Still looking for a job?
I suggest maybe you then stop shooting yourself in the foot,Fred?

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Old 22nd October 2002, 04:20 PM   #22
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Fred,

I know what you mean.
I once rebuilt my very nice tube amp into the casework of a 70's Jap SS amp because I liked the look of the case. Anyhoo, I invited another 'phile over to listen to my latest amp, and when he saw me turn the selector on the Jap casework, I thought he was going to vomit on the floor. He listened to it, and pronounced all these things wrong with it, all the while being jittery and uncomfortable, and just wanting to be out of there. He'd liked the same circuit the time before when he heard it, the only difference this time was the case.

I've never told him the truth, just said that I prefered the original circuit and decided to use that. Still cracks me up thinking about it.

Frank
<b>Why don't we put together a list of lesser known brands of say capicitors that sound at least as good as the flavour of the day stuff.
I know I could,eeeasy.</b>
Please do. I've found these Epcos mylar caps recently that sound great. Stacked film construction, cheap and available.

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Old 22nd October 2002, 04:25 PM   #23
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Default I suggest maybe you then stop shooting yourself in the foot,Fred?

I don't keep firearms in the house for my own protection from my long suffering wife. The fact that I wake up each day (knowing that we have a fine collection of kitchen knives) is miraculous as it is. Of course she knows that I am having dessert with a cute former telecom co op in her favorite restaurant (named Sweet Temptations no less) today. If I don't ever show up on the forum again well............

Fred

P.S. My favorite sensibly priced capacitors? Mystery Caps of course! Pay attention.
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Old 22nd October 2002, 04:46 PM   #24
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Hi Fred,

Glad to see you kept your sense of humour.
BTW,the French telecom business that laid you guys off wouldn't be M...a Telecommunications,would it?
If so,I'll sell all my stock.Immediately,promise.

See you,

Brett,

Why not indeed.
EU,OZ,US+Canada etc.
Anyone else wanting to chip in?

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Old 22nd October 2002, 04:52 PM   #25
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Jean-Paul,

{burb!} just have to put the rest of my last victim out of the barbed wire on my teeth

For me any component is junk until it has passed this longterm check.

You should see my audio resistor junkbox, full of vintage resistors looking like junk. But none of them is magnetic (as no magnetic resistor ever passed the longterm test for more than 5 minute when compared to any given non-magnetic one, even carbon layer construction ones) some of them are Vishay and Shinko Tantalum, many of them are inductive and non-inductive WW,vintage military surplus, many of them are carefully soldered out of junked Tek and HP scopes. Of the latter i have still half a bucket full, mainly those incredibly rugged grey carbon layer ones Tek preferred for most purposes and Allen Bradley carbon composites.
Not yet sorted into bags of same value. No time . I got surplus resistors, anyone selling surplus time?

Amazing: albeit carbon resistors have a bad rep for not keeping their value over decades, i have not yet had one single resistor butchered out of old scopes not have held his value within specified tolerance. Same with capacitors, BTW.

So the rumours seem to be true:
1st quality goes to military production, 2nd goes to industrial applications, 3rd goes into automotive prodiction, 4th into brown ware & hite ware & consumer gear, 5th quality you can buy over the street at the local electronics shop.

Vishay bulk foil resistors are 1st quality and pricing also is MIL-spec.



Frank,
i disagree about what you said to Fred,
Fred as well as me is exactly the sort of mentality best hated in the audio indistry establishment of today.

If anyone of us founding a business plays it straight and declares **honesty** as policy of his audio enterprise, he has a USP, a unique selling point in the eyes of a huge crowd of customers cheated one time too often by other manufacturers, other sellers.

Methinks, this particular USP cannot esteemed high enough in our audio world of today.

Typing this, i can already smell the sweat of fear of said other manufacturers, other sellers, those who cheat customers.
Admitted, some customers literally ask for being cheated. Wire of the week syndrome, i know this well.

All,
i am in for a list of not so $$$ components.
BTW, the MKVs of the group purchase are on top of my list. I don't need AudioNote silver/PIO at $400 for 1F. I take MKVs and if i skin them, i have mystery caps already. ROTLFMAO
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Old 22nd October 2002, 05:10 PM   #26
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Bernhard,

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i disagree about what you said to Fred,
Sure,I agree for 50000% with you.
But we don't want to face lawsuits either,do we?
Hence my cautionary remark as to not pinch too many baloons.

That's why I suggest to group some info on alternative sources and yes the Epcos are very good.
I found a dealer in Tchekia if you're running out of sources,BTW.

In business my filosophy is always quality and honnesty towards customers.
That doesn't necessarily imply I tell them where I get my goods from.
Honnesty always pays off at the end of the day,same goes for long term policies.

Rgds,
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Old 23rd October 2002, 03:05 AM   #27
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Default The REAL meaning of psyschoacoustics.

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Fred,

I know what you mean.
I once rebuilt my very nice tube amp into the casework of a 70's Jap SS amp because I liked the look of the case. Anyhoo, I invited another 'phile over to listen to my latest amp, and when he saw me turn the selector on the Jap casework, I thought he was going to vomit on the floor. He listened to it, and pronounced all these things wrong with it, all the while being jittery and uncomfortable, and just wanting to be out of there. He'd liked the same circuit the time before when he heard it, the only difference this time was the case.
I think those enchanted power cords do exactly the same thing to some people. Clearly a psychological phenomena more than anything else. What is real though, is a particular individual's necessity of believing certain certain circumstances to be true before they can fully enjoy some music. An engineer can't put hard numbers to this but that doesn't mean it is invalid, just annoying to those of us that know better.

I'm just waiting for the time when someone gets on and starts telling us how and where we should place our hifi hardware according to the principles of Feng Shui. I don't mind others having a different opinion to me though.

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Old 23rd October 2002, 02:07 PM   #28
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Default Re: The REAL meaning of psyschoacoustics.

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I'm just waiting for the time when someone gets on and starts telling us how and where we should place our hifi hardware according to the principles of Feng Shui.
The "monks" who make mpingo disks already do that.

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Old 23rd October 2002, 04:54 PM   #29
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Default you are being hoodwinked

Maybe I am in the minority here, and I certainly don't want to offend anybody in particular, but the whole passive parts debate is really a waste of time.

Think about it: why do you not see a single mention of the "sound" of resistors/caps/wire, etc until the mid to late 70's? Because all the brain power (ie. Engineers) left tubes behind and went to solid state, leaving us amateurs to sort things out. And it's just like the guy who fusses about the designer oil he puts in his car religiously, yet he can't point the alternator out to you. "Parts tweaks" are the only thing people can easily modify when they know little about electronics and circuit design. They feel rather helpless looking at a power supply with all those wires - but they know how to spot and change a capacitor.

As for the knowledgable people who believe in magic parts - I'm thinking you're not quite as knowledgable as you come off.

Again, sorry if this is offensive to anybody - I just get mad seeing very enthuiastic, well-meaning, new DIY'ers suckered by retailers into thinking they need $20 coupling caps in order to make a worthy amplifier. I will audition a 71A SE for you made with radio shack resistors and Xicon polyester caps that will make you wonder where I'm hiding the orchestra.

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One thing of diy audio is that we don't fall into the trap of standard mass market commercial equipement.

But if one go and buy and outragously priced tiny component wich finally d'ont have much of an impact on the overall performance, one still got caught in a commercial trap. Yes their is one person who benefit this thing but it't the buyer.

But I d'ont say that we should use the cheapest part. just some reasonably priced and good quality parts.
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