Panasonic FC vs Black Gate Standard

reaction · 22nd April 2005, 05:18 AM

Which cap is better for CD-Player upgrade? I don't expect a war-thread - just opinions from real users. Thanks in advance!

GSI · 23rd April 2005, 10:03 PM

Absolutely no comparison. BG Std is easily better. Panasonic FC is only standart electrolytics capacitor, no better than many others. In fact I somewhat dissapointed when tried it - dull upper midrange leads to annyoningly "thin" high frequencies. Overall sound balance "weight" concentrated in lower midrage. And even midbass is not good enough.

reaction · 26th April 2005, 08:12 AM

Are Rubycon ZL/ZA series comparable to Black Gate Standard? Regarding their specs the ZL/ZA series should have lower ESR than BG Std.

analog_sa · 26th April 2005, 08:55 AM

Which cap in the cd player do you plan on upgrading? Coupling or PS? The only real way to know what is best for you is to try a selection of caps. What are the chances other people's tastes will be the same as yours?

I like BG and at lower voltages feel they represent very good value. At the same time they do have a specific sonic flavour which is not to everyone's liking. In some situations Elna Starget/Silmic may be more preferable in PS. As for coupling, BG-N are probably the best deal to be had in caps today - almost as good as the cheaper films, small and really dirt cheap.

reaction · 26th April 2005, 09:03 AM

I would like to use BG Standard or Rubycon ZL or Panasonic FC for the PS section of the player (to replace the existing Nippon Chemi-con AVF, ASF and W electrolytics) because of their nice price/uF/voltage ratio compared to the more expensive FK/N/NX series.

But I am still wondering which caps to choose...

I have already ordered NX-Hi-Qs for coupling.

renes3 · 26th April 2005, 09:13 AM

Reaction,

Go for BG-N, it is the best thing for your ps. My cd player got 12 of these caps in the ps lines, they are still running in, but the results so far seem promising to me.

René

reaction · 26th April 2005, 09:22 AM

I simply couldn't afford the Nx series - I have to replace 12 caps x ~$30-50 each...

I don't think I will hear the $300 difference

foo · 26th April 2005, 09:57 AM

go ahead and try BG-NX .
I used to think the sameway as u .
But now i have 20 BG-NX in my PS .
As to Coupling , it's no better than my silver wire .

pburke · 27th April 2005, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reaction
I simply couldn't afford the Nx series - I have to replace 12 caps x ~$30-50 each...

I don't think I will hear the $300 difference

why not use Panasonic FCs or Nichicon Muse KZ for the large values, but all the caps right before the actual chips that consume power are usually small values and lower voltage. Those are the places where you should put the BGs. Most important are the caps around the clock. Hell, just replace the whole regulator there and put something decent in there. The $12 on the 100uF BG that feeds my clock was one of the biggest improvements in my system over the last 6 months and well worth the extra cost.

Peter

reaction · 27th April 2005, 07:43 PM

There is a 220uF/35V Nichicon Muse cap which feeds my clock just after a 5V regulator. My schematic originally indicates that this cap should be 35V!

Is it posible to replace it with bigger value and lower voltage one - 470uF/6.3V BG NX for example?

Can I bypass a big value BG NX cap with 0.1uF NX Hi-Q cap instead of a film one?

22nd April 2005, 05:18 AM	#1
reaction diyAudio Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bulgaria	Panasonic FC vs Black Gate Standard Which cap is better for CD-Player upgrade? I don't expect a war-thread - just opinions from real users. Thanks in advance!

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23rd April 2005, 10:03 PM	#2
GSI diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2004	Absolutely no comparison. BG Std is easily better. Panasonic FC is only standart electrolytics capacitor, no better than many others. In fact I somewhat dissapointed when tried it - dull upper midrange leads to annyoningly "thin" high frequencies. Overall sound balance "weight" concentrated in lower midrage. And even midbass is not good enough.

26th April 2005, 08:12 AM	#3
reaction diyAudio Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bulgaria	Are Rubycon ZL/ZA series comparable to Black Gate Standard? Regarding their specs the ZL/ZA series should have lower ESR than BG Std.

26th April 2005, 08:55 AM	#4
analog_sa diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sofia	Which cap in the cd player do you plan on upgrading? Coupling or PS? The only real way to know what is best for you is to try a selection of caps. What are the chances other people's tastes will be the same as yours? I like BG and at lower voltages feel they represent very good value. At the same time they do have a specific sonic flavour which is not to everyone's liking. In some situations Elna Starget/Silmic may be more preferable in PS. As for coupling, BG-N are probably the best deal to be had in caps today - almost as good as the cheaper films, small and really dirt cheap.

26th April 2005, 09:03 AM	#5
reaction diyAudio Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bulgaria	I would like to use BG Standard or Rubycon ZL or Panasonic FC for the PS section of the player (to replace the existing Nippon Chemi-con AVF, ASF and W electrolytics) because of their nice price/uF/voltage ratio compared to the more expensive FK/N/NX series. But I am still wondering which caps to choose... I have already ordered NX-Hi-Qs for coupling.

26th April 2005, 09:13 AM	#6
renes3 diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Uranus	Reaction, Go for BG-N, it is the best thing for your ps. My cd player got 12 of these caps in the ps lines, they are still running in, but the results so far seem promising to me. René

26th April 2005, 09:22 AM	#7
reaction diyAudio Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bulgaria	I simply couldn't afford the Nx series - I have to replace 12 caps x ~$30-50 each... I don't think I will hear the $300 difference

26th April 2005, 09:57 AM	#8
foo diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: ...	go ahead and try BG-NX . I used to think the sameway as u . But now i have 20 BG-NX in my PS . As to Coupling , it's no better than my silver wire .

27th April 2005, 07:43 PM	#10
reaction diyAudio Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bulgaria	There is a 220uF/35V Nichicon Muse cap which feeds my clock just after a 5V regulator. My schematic originally indicates that this cap should be 35V! Is it posible to replace it with bigger value and lower voltage one - 470uF/6.3V BG NX for example? Can I bypass a big value BG NX cap with 0.1uF NX Hi-Q cap instead of a film one?

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