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Old 27th January 2005, 10:24 AM   #11
tktran is offline tktran  Australia
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What if those nice caps makes my existing 100 CDs sound better?

Joking aside, there are pictures floating about on the web of crossovers from megabuck speakers like Dynaudio's Evidence containing Solen and B&W's new 800D series containing Mundorf MCap Supreme capacitors.

I've always wanted to upgrade my crossover out of curiosiy, but there are a dozen other upgrades to do before that.

Oh, and meanwhile, some people in the world are starving, so I think I can hold off for awhile longer.
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Old 27th January 2005, 11:03 AM   #12
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I have tried nearly all makes of capacitors - some imported at great cost for experimental work and have come to the following conclusions- I call them the "Jozua Cap Rules"

1. Do not skimp on shunt capacitors-use the best you can get. Shunt can make a BIG difference.
2. Certain speaker drivers seem to sound better with certain brands of capacitors. Buying expensive caps at random and thinking it will always sound better in your setup is a big mistake.
3. Certain caps cause phase shifts - it might sound better at first glance but the image might or depth might suffer after the "upgrade". So listen carefully.
4. Do not trust what you read in the press about certain high end caps- many are grossly over-rated. Most middle of the road caps are fine for conventional hi-fi use as most of them tend to sound better in time.
5. Avoid cheap caps at all cost but do not spend too much if your setup does not have the resolution to justify the expense.
6. Some caps (especially the metal based) are more efficient than others and will make the driver play louder than before which is easily mistaken as a improvement.
7. The higher the voltage of the cap the greater the potential of the cap improving in time.

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Old 28th January 2005, 02:28 PM   #13
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Thanks for all... Is very help me

Thanks everybody and thanks for JohanH for the great link.

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Old 28th January 2005, 04:58 PM   #14
Vigier is offline Vigier  Netherlands
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Hi Jozua,

Funny that you thank JohanH for his URL to that site. The site is actually written by/belongs to the guy that posted after him: Geenius.

Grzt, Joris

P.S. But you're absolutely right about the fact that it is a great site!
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Old 28th January 2005, 05:40 PM   #15
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Old 28th January 2005, 06:06 PM   #16
Greg B is offline Greg B  United States
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I have not tested the silver/oil in XO's, but I have tested tme as output caps in an audio note dac. The supremes silver smoked my former Audio Note Copper Pio caps.
Hmm, as coupling caps in one of my tube amps, Jensen copper PIO caps were smoked by $.75 sprague orange drops.

This isn't to say that better caps aren't audibly better, they often are. It's just that price isn't necessarily an indicator.

WRT crossovers, it's important to optimize everything else first.

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Old 14th March 2005, 09:33 AM   #17
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I have tried as well all kind of caps. Until today, the Mundorf supremes are the best for me (as well better than the double costing silver(oils). Have not tried yet the silver /gold.

The tin versions are not as detail as the supreme, but more forgiving. The silver/oil are somewhere between the tin and the supremes. I have a bit the feeling that the silver in oil have been a nice marketing move of Mr. Mundorf as they are clearly better than any Jensens and if you want oil, you can get it...

Would be great to hear a bit more about the difference between the supreme and the silver/gold version.

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Old 18th August 2006, 03:13 AM   #18
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Default Input Capacitor /Mundorf Silver-in-Oil & Silver-in-Gold and Jensen Cap

Hi diyer, Blitz & Jozua

Is there anyone using Mundorf Silver-in-Oil and Mundorf Silver-in-Gold and Jensen Copper-in-Oil for the input capacitor? Or other bands.

Is Mundorf the best?

What is the quality sound of High End, Mid-Range & Bass?

Which one is better?

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Old 18th August 2006, 04:38 AM   #19
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I have tried the Mundorf Silver/Oil and Silver/Gold caps after reading Tony's reviews. The conclusions are similar. I have not tried the Duelund caps because they are really large, but would expect them to be good.

One thing of caution. Improving one part will reveal flaws in other parts of the system. It's best to be sure that the basic circuit design is very good, only this way when you make improvments in components, you won't go around in circles trying to match components, but rather use the most techically correct component to reveal what should be heard in the first place.

Based on this insight, when I am working on speakers, I try to get good drivers first, work one the circuit with common components till the system sounds the way I think it should such that I only expect improvements such that Tony's site explains, then stick in better components just for that much more improvement.
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Old 18th August 2006, 04:45 AM   #20
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DomKo, the best capacitors, IME, are paper-in-Fluorinert followed by teflon/foil followed by all the rest. The main factor determining capacitor sound is probably DA. Liquid dielectrics might effectively reduce DA by basic Newtonian means.
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