Cerafine vs. Muse vs. Pana FC?

Sanaka · 27th September 2004, 11:07 AM

That is:

Elna Cerafine
Nichicon Muse (let's say KZ series)
Panasonic FC

(I doubt it but...) Is there a (perceived) consensus as to which of these is best. For let's say power supply of a headphone amp, for instance.

More to the point: What are folks opinions based on experience?

I wonder because Panasonics are available from DigiKey but seem to have a more 'mundane' reputation, whereas Muse and Cerafine seem to have a more hi-end 'boutique' reputation. Even though Muse cost around the same as Panasonic. Cerafine seem to be around 3 or 4 times a$ much, but still not stratospheric.

Thanks!

Peace,
Sanaka

hacknet · 27th September 2004, 11:26 AM

i`m a fan of the P FCs.. they are quite good in most aspects. i`ve put them in digital power supplies with good results too.

reaction · 28th September 2004, 12:10 PM

Black Gate Standard is another (better) option. The price is the same as Cerafine's but they sound better I think.

commstech · 17th October 2004, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hacknet
i`m a fan of the P FCs.. they are quite good in most aspects. i`ve put them in digital power supplies with good results too.

as in u have tried all 3 of them and done a comparison and derive at the outcome that the Panasonics beats the rest? what kind of digital supply u used them in?

would appreciate more details of your findings in terms of differences in sonic qualities or any measurements taken that justify for your conclusion.

commstech · 17th October 2004, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reaction
Black Gate Standard is another (better) option. The price is the same as Cerafine's but they sound better I think.

no way that the BGs cost the same as Cerafine!

Jocko Homo · 17th October 2004, 06:43 PM

FCs are better than Cerafines. A lot of us think that they aren't so hot.

Don't like any of the "Kahn Brothers" caps either, although there may be a few decent ones.

I usually rip any of those brands out, and replace with a Panasonic, as much as I cringe giving them money.

Black Gates for the same price???? No way.................

Jocko

Sanaka · 18th October 2004, 01:51 AM

How abhout the Panasonic FM's?

They're new in the latest Digikey catalog. Pana. seems to be touting them as an up-classed FC: 50% higher ripple current, 40-70% lower impedance, longer life, and lower price. Catch?

Peace,
Sanaka

Jocko Homo · 18th October 2004, 03:28 AM

The catch seems to be that they don't come in as many different size/value combos as FCs do.

Jocko

alvaius · 8th November 2004, 12:03 AM

Are you using a regulated power supply?

Alvaius

hacknet · 8th November 2004, 03:49 AM

FCs are great as long as they are for solid state.... since there is no FC equivilant for high voltage, sometime you`ve got to use cerafines...

27th September 2004, 11:07 AM	#1
Sanaka diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hawaii	Cerafine vs. Muse vs. Pana FC? That is: Elna Cerafine Nichicon Muse (let's say KZ series) Panasonic FC (I doubt it but...) Is there a (perceived) consensus as to which of these is best. For let's say power supply of a headphone amp, for instance. More to the point: What are folks opinions based on experience? I wonder because Panasonics are available from DigiKey but seem to have a more 'mundane' reputation, whereas Muse and Cerafine seem to have a more hi-end 'boutique' reputation. Even though Muse cost around the same as Panasonic. Cerafine seem to be around 3 or 4 times a$ much, but still not stratospheric. Thanks! Peace, Sanaka __________________ We are sorry for the inconvenience....

18th October 2004, 01:51 AM	#7
Sanaka diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Hawaii	How abhout the Panasonic FM's? They're new in the latest Digikey catalog. Pana. seems to be touting them as an up-classed FC: 50% higher ripple current, 40-70% lower impedance, longer life, and lower price. Catch? Peace, Sanaka __________________ We are sorry for the inconvenience....

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27th September 2004, 11:26 AM	#2
hacknet diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: sg	i`m a fan of the P FCs.. they are quite good in most aspects. i`ve put them in digital power supplies with good results too.

28th September 2004, 12:10 PM	#3
reaction diyAudio Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bulgaria	Black Gate Standard is another (better) option. The price is the same as Cerafine's but they sound better I think.

17th October 2004, 06:43 PM	#6
Jocko Homo Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: As far from the NOSsers as possible	FCs are better than Cerafines. A lot of us think that they aren't so hot. Don't like any of the "Kahn Brothers" caps either, although there may be a few decent ones. I usually rip any of those brands out, and replace with a Panasonic, as much as I cringe giving them money. Black Gates for the same price???? No way................. Jocko

18th October 2004, 03:28 AM	#8
Jocko Homo Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: As far from the NOSsers as possible	The catch seems to be that they don't come in as many different size/value combos as FCs do. Jocko

8th November 2004, 12:03 AM	#9
alvaius diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Toronto	Are you using a regulated power supply? Alvaius

8th November 2004, 03:49 AM	#10
hacknet diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: sg	FCs are great as long as they are for solid state.... since there is no FC equivilant for high voltage, sometime you`ve got to use cerafines...

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