Hi-
I hope that I'm not beating a dead horse here, but I couldn't find the info I am looking for (sorry if it's already in a thread). I have a tough time buying the whole black gate cap "miracle," but I'm interested to see what's driving people to use them. Can someone direct me to a data sheet for the standard series (I assume most people use the standard series?)? Does anyone know what ESR is for 1000uF 50V? Also, I've seen several places on the net that sell them, but which distributors have people had good experiences with in the states? Thanks for your time,
Doovieman
I hope that I'm not beating a dead horse here, but I couldn't find the info I am looking for (sorry if it's already in a thread). I have a tough time buying the whole black gate cap "miracle," but I'm interested to see what's driving people to use them. Can someone direct me to a data sheet for the standard series (I assume most people use the standard series?)? Does anyone know what ESR is for 1000uF 50V? Also, I've seen several places on the net that sell them, but which distributors have people had good experiences with in the states? Thanks for your time,
Doovieman
Hi,
What standard ones? Electrolytics?
Black gates, contrary to what most people seem to think, are not "typical" electrolytics even though they span the same range of values and voltages.
Prices are pretty high but well worth it...Let's hope they'll get cheaper as sales figures increase.
New? Not really...They'd be inherently longer lasting than standard electrolytics as they do not have electrolyte inside of them.
Sonically they're on a par with the better filmcaps and just as reliable IME.
Cheers,
What standard ones? Electrolytics?
Black gates, contrary to what most people seem to think, are not "typical" electrolytics even though they span the same range of values and voltages.
Prices are pretty high but well worth it...Let's hope they'll get cheaper as sales figures increase.
New? Not really...They'd be inherently longer lasting than standard electrolytics as they do not have electrolyte inside of them.
Sonically they're on a par with the better filmcaps and just as reliable IME.
Cheers,
Upupa Epops said:
Prices are here: http://www.partsconnexion.com/catalog/CapacitorsElectrolytic.html
No questions about that, those are really good caps. But as with everything, proper system/parts matching is recommended. They come in different types and sometimes one type works better than the other.fdegrove said:
Black Gates are certainly 'atypical' electrolytics in that
graphite is apparently the primary conducting medium even
though an electrolyte is necessary to 'wet' the foil
surfaces. They also are usually a partial bi-polar even in
the notionally polar parts. They claim lower distortion, noise and ESR, but:
They certainly don't conform to the usual standards with
data sheets and readily obvious data points. In fact,
their primary recommendation appears to be that they
'sound' different, and usually better.
I can't afford to use them liberally; I'm certainly not going
to pay over $100 for an individual part I can get for a few
dollars in a more conventional part, even if the BG part IS better.
I use them where I think they're best, when I can afford to
use them at all.
The nearest equivalent in industry are some types of organic
electrolytes and ceramic particles of some sort; no else uses
graphite as Black Gates do or any other conductive material.
There must be a reason, apart from copyrighted practice.
In short, they have a controversial reputation which they
probably deserve. It's the individual's choice whether or
not to use them.
And they appear to be going out of production, which will only
relegate them to the status of legend. In the end, no one's
going to be happy, but then life's like that a lot, eh?
graphite is apparently the primary conducting medium even
though an electrolyte is necessary to 'wet' the foil
surfaces. They also are usually a partial bi-polar even in
the notionally polar parts. They claim lower distortion, noise and ESR, but:
They certainly don't conform to the usual standards with
data sheets and readily obvious data points. In fact,
their primary recommendation appears to be that they
'sound' different, and usually better.
I can't afford to use them liberally; I'm certainly not going
to pay over $100 for an individual part I can get for a few
dollars in a more conventional part, even if the BG part IS better.
I use them where I think they're best, when I can afford to
use them at all.
The nearest equivalent in industry are some types of organic
electrolytes and ceramic particles of some sort; no else uses
graphite as Black Gates do or any other conductive material.
There must be a reason, apart from copyrighted practice.
In short, they have a controversial reputation which they
probably deserve. It's the individual's choice whether or
not to use them.
And they appear to be going out of production, which will only
relegate them to the status of legend. In the end, no one's
going to be happy, but then life's like that a lot, eh?
Yes, I'm very frustrated by the "technical papers" that Black gate publishes. Their in such crappy resolution that you can't read the graphs! Does anyone have a graph of ESR v Frequency? I would really like to see some actual technical information. It's very weird that they don't readily publish such materials.
Doovieman
Doovieman
fdegrove said:Hi,
Any sources on that or is it just a rumour?
Cheers,
http://www.musicalconcepts.com
To be taken with a grain of salt, as this is the only
mention I've seen so far.
Blakgate Capacitors
Never mind Peter, you save a lot of money and space with the Blackgates, I was never was impressed by........
Now, gentlemen, it gets psychological.......Peter Daniel said:Again, comparing to film caps they are rather cheap.
For instance 4.7u/50V type N is listed at $3.25 and I prefer them in coupling applications to Jensen copper foil which costs $78, go figure
I'm not gonna mention the size difference.
Never mind Peter, you save a lot of money and space with the Blackgates, I was never was impressed by........
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