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Old 9th May 2004, 11:50 AM   #1
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Question PIC Static Sensitivity

Hi guys,

I just have a quick question, before I construct a kit.

Are 16F84 PICs static sensitive to ESD?
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Old 9th May 2004, 11:55 AM   #2
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in my exerience its difficult to kill a PIC, i even experienced they still are alive after mounting reverse in the socket. In case you buy new, i would use 16F628 or so instead of 16F84
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Are they?

Because the kit instruction says that 16F84 is static sensitive...

But I've seen a few people who handled those ICs without a wrist strap...

Which is the truth?

I would like to hear opinions from others as well...
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Old 9th May 2004, 12:48 PM   #4
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it's probably safer to use a strap...but in all the years of playing with PICs...I haven got any killed yet save for one which I accidentally put too close to my ignition coil and turned the coil on...of course it got fried...but that's outta the point...
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Old 9th May 2004, 12:52 PM   #5
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I just wanna tell you guys that I really don't want to damage this chip.

The IC is pre-programed, so I don't even know to program a new IC.

If the IC goes off, the entire kit goes off ( waste of $)

And I don't have any experience with a wrist strap... Do they work on a 'dry' skin as well??
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if u're really scared you can just read of the contents save it and if something goes wrong you can easily reprogram another...and yes wrist straps work on dry skin...
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Default Re: PIC Static Sensitivity

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Hi guys,

I just have a quick question, before I construct a kit.

Are 16F84 PICs static sensitive to ESD?
Yes!

I suggest that you read the datasheet about that.

In real life they aren't more sensitive than other similar IC but they should be handle with care.
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Ive never handled them "carefully" and ive never fried one. Even after repeatedly dropping them on the floor, sweeping them up with a broom, putting them in a socket backwards etc.
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Quote: "Even after repeatedly dropping them on the floor, sweeping them up with a broom"




Quote: "and yes wrist straps work on dry skin..."

I wonder how they work even on a dry skin, which is hardly conductive...
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Old 10th May 2004, 07:49 AM   #10
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consider the 1Mohm resistor already present in the wrist strap...
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