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Old 7th March 2004, 01:28 AM   #171
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Default RCF

This is probably known to you all, but here's a link to a guy who sells RCF pro drivers. No doubt expensive, but from what I've heard, RCF is actually a good value for the quality

http://www.narainindia.com/Events/rcf.htm
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Old 10th March 2004, 01:09 PM   #172
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Default Variac's pointers to Indian sources

Guys, Variac is quite amazing. He pointed me to Indian Websites selling speaker drivers, and gave me a whole set of other pointers. How do you do it?

On a different note, the group buy for Uncle Harry's knobs has petered out (pun not intended) in a strange way:
  • Some people think the Indian source (Uncle Harry's manufacture and our very low courier service charges) are too expensive. Apparently you can make knobs in small quantities even in Denmark, if you believe some members, at lower prices. There were thinly veiled hints that Paul Hilgeman and I were profiteering.
  • Apparently, the knobs they were originally looking for are not as "nice" as the ones Peter Daniel has posted. Peter's sample set is no doubt gorgeous, but what they seem to miss is that Uncle Harry can make any of those designs in quantities of 100 at his usual rates and superb finish.
  • Peter Daniel is offering to make knobs for everyone (he's a guy I like) but one of his earlier posts mentioned that he can get any knob made at a price of USD 15.00 if in large quantities!!! And that's inexpensive compared to the group buy rate???
I like most of these guys (other than one or two rude and obnoxious ones), and have nothing personal against anyone, and they're certainly no fools. But I just can't figure out what's going on.

In the meantime, something interesting happened with Uncle Harry's remaining stock of knobs. He had about a hundred left, I think. One forum member contacted me off-list by email from the UK, and told me he wanted 80 or 100 knobs, are they available? He was fine with the absence of a recessed back and the 6mm dia shaft, and said that he's tired of the group buy because (and I quote) "... they got really stupid claiming the price was too high." So we calculated the costs for 90 knobs, and the total, including packaging and shipping, came to USD 125.00. As soon as we hear that his wire transfer has reached us, we will ship the lot to him. He says he loves the look of the knobs, and evidently thinks the price is excellent.

If this American group buy had reached one hundred knobs, I think they too could have got the set shipped for that amount. That would have come to about USD 1.35 or so per knob. I'm really curious to see how much cheaper the US-made knobs will turn out to be.

So, the whole story has been quite schizophrenic, and something doesn't gell.

C'est la vie.
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Old 10th March 2004, 01:29 PM   #173
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Well...
You can always take ur horses down to the water...but no matter what, never make them drink...

So wait till they get thirsty..
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Old 10th March 2004, 01:38 PM   #174
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You can always take ur horses down to the water...but no matter what, never make them drink...
So wait till they get thirsty..
Brilliantly put.
There's one member-friend from India (moniker "ashok") who has expressed interest in Peter Daniel's knobs. Maybe we can have a purely Indian group buy if there are others who want to get knobs. I can't imagine that anything made in the US and brought in through Customs will be smoother and less expensive than Uncle Harry's stuff. We can get some knobs made to order. I can swing the making if we can get a volume of at least 50.
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Old 10th March 2004, 02:27 PM   #175
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no matter what, I'm always thirsty when it comes to this...


Yes i would be interested in the knobs. Right now i'm a bit busy at work and also the speakers need to be completed. After that i'll be starting on a chasis for a Chip amp and an active X0 and would require those knobs.
I think Uncle harry can easily churn out any kind of design on aluminium. And peters dont look much difficult either..
but...lets be different and not follow the crowd...

Btw, I was talking to Shiva(corrson) today..he said he can provide
CTR metalised polypropelene caps...and non inductive resistors for use in passive crossovers.

ajju
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Old 10th March 2004, 02:38 PM   #176
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Tarun,

That excellent thread was spoiled mainly because one particular member didnít take his head out of his rear before posting.

I sell to major automakers and Tier I companies in EU. If any of these buyers ask me to quote 1$ for an item that cost them 500$ (as this particular dork has implied), I would gladly tell the customers to #$% off.

I thought of giving a suitable rebuttal in that thread, but then realised it will only add to acrimony.

Strange people cohabit us.

NB: You are saving a few of Uncle Harryís for me. Arenít you?

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Old 11th March 2004, 01:38 AM   #177
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Well put Ashok..

I think we here should first get the benefit of Tarun's Uncl Harry connection, before the folks there-at least we will enjoy them..What is the likely price per unit if we can get the numbers up to 50? While I dont have any immediate need, projects on the distant horizon are always there..

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Old 11th March 2004, 02:07 AM   #178
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I'd be interested in a few of the knobs. Like George said, something might come up in the future.

Ajju,
CTR capacitors are available at Om Electronics. I used to buy them some time ago. You can check it out. Also, Vishal Electronics on SP Road sells those yellow coloured capacitors with axial leads (also polypropylene I think). The sound colouration is very less with these caps. I use them for all my passive crossover requirements.

What are you doing for the inductors?

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Old 11th March 2004, 04:14 AM   #179
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Default I posted this in another forum but then I realized that this place would be better.

By the way, I am willing to pay 2 TIMES the amount for these off the shelf knobs you have been talking about... without any ammendments!
so 1/8" (approx 3.18 mm ) hole and 6 mm hole !!!!!!

this is my post in the other thread:


To the person(s) being able to buy and ship the (Indian) Uncle Arthur anodized knobs

Post #83

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Originally posted by tcpip

And 38mm (1.5") knobs are available off the shelf here for less than a dollar each. I can send you samples. Unfortunately, their shaft diameters are all 6mm. The pots and rotary switches available here are all either 1/8" (3.18mm), or 4mm, or 6mm. Nothing more than 6mm here.

Tarun


Ok, I have no clue any more of who is doing what but nevertheless, I would like to get some knobs for 6mm shafts AND 1/8" shafts......
1.5 " would ne a nice size FOR MY projects. I DO NOT WANT SAMPLES, I PAY FOR WHAT I ASK! AND OFCOURSE i PAY AND AFTER THAT YOU SHIP!


So please whomever this is, can you quote me your BEST price
for
4 knobs 38 mm (=approx 1.5" for shaft size 6mm)
AND
4 knobs ?? mm (for shaft size 1/8" = approx. 3.18 mm)
I PRESUME THESE KNOBS ARE THE ONES THAT WERE POSTED IN THE EARLIER PICS BUT OFCOURSE STANDARD HOLE SIZE = ORIGINAL STATE!

I pay Paypal (and will add 3pct extra for charges occuring at destination) out of my giving, caring hart!

(beware as a missionary in the USA I do not make a big income!!!)

It needs to be shipped to
Federal Way, WA 98003-6612 USA
one little detail
shipper's info MUST contain the following

Shipper
Jean-Pierre Scherer C/O ( and here you fill in the shipper's name such as AshoK, Vishnu, Parkeel, Goblu or any ones, followed by the shipper's address etc etc...

Make me an offer as requested, I suppose that for of the shelve units, it should not take too long.
iF YOU CANNOT MEET MY SHIPPPING DEMANDS, i WILL SEE IF ANOTHER SOLUTION CAN BE MADE


Thank You

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Old 11th March 2004, 04:19 AM   #180
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Dear Not Tarun:

Well, thanks for the kind words. I am pleased to be on the "good" list at the moment

I guess by reading this thread I realized that many people in India are sick of being thought of as a place that can only offer the lowest price to compete- that your products can be first class.

I had some friends from India while in graduate school, and we always just had a lot of fun!! Man, drinking good beer and watching Dr. Who -geek heaven!! They had learned to cook dishes from home by experimentation-it was that or starve. And they had really gotten good with a few - so I tended to show up around dinner time!!

They were constantly being invited to some profs or others house for dinner. When they arrived, there was always the "sweet" Indian girl. They said that she was always so shy and unassertive that they found them quite uninteresting. Besides, they would get a wife when they returned home- no need to worry about these things now- better to have a beer and hang with your friends.. excellent values!!

back to the point:

I guess I sometimes feel that people are too quick to see them selves as victims, yet right here I saw how people were suspicious of good intentions- I think the initial price mentioned was high (wisely) to make sure the price wouldn't exceed it. People overeacted and seemed to assume that if the price was close to prices here then someone was profiteering (incidentely- I think by 500% less they meant 1/5 not 1/500 !!!)
Also, It seems beyond people to believe the the knobs are truly of high quality.

The whole thing is truly wierd, and something that could have been a positive "hands across the water " thing turned out somewhat negative.

It's pretty clear that the preferred knob is a cylinder with "flats" on each side to make it look like the old Mark Levinson knobs.
the diameter would be about 32mm. Peter Daniel isn't making these- he's ordering them. As you said- apparently $15 is cheap if it isn't from India There are pictures on the DIY gainclone chassis thread showing this. If you want to bother, maybe you could run this by "your" Uncle and get a serious quote on about 100 and make a final post with the price including shiping. Or you could just give up which I wouldn't blame you for!

*** I think that the best explanation is that people aren't really paying that much attention and tend to shoot from the hip rather than try to follow the whole thread.*****

Also Peter would be in a bind if the knobs didn't arrive on time- or cost more, or weren't nice, so I certainly can't blame him for wanting to deal with a company known to him.

Gotta go!........
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