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Old 21st January 2004, 03:33 PM   #1
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Hello happy taxpayers,

I'm looking for a spice model of the Toshiba 2SK369 high-gm JFet (not 2SK389 !!!). Searched the site and the net, but nothing...

Any help ?

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Old 22nd January 2004, 04:22 AM   #2
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Hi there,

I am also interested in the 2SK369. I am going to use it in
a MC amp. If you are really interested, pop me a email and
I will try to get it from my supplier. (I run a business selling
audio kits and audio components)

bty, what software are you using? Please do tell me.

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Old 22nd January 2004, 07:18 AM   #3
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Hi James,

I already have a bunch of them, but thanks for your proposal !

BTW, I use MicroCap 7 from Spectrum Soft (http://www.spectrum-soft.com). Easy and quick.
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Old 22nd January 2004, 08:26 AM   #4
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I think Microcap includes 2SK363.
2SK369 is the low noise version of 2SK363.
Maybe this and the 2SK369 datasheet could help you change model parameters?

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Old 22nd January 2004, 08:31 AM   #5
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Hi Hugo,

Just checked, but ... no. In fact yes , it should, but in my demo version, none of the 2SK series are available....
And as I'm not an expert, I don't know which parameters in the model are relevant to change one fet into another...

Thanks anyway,
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Old 22nd January 2004, 08:35 AM   #6
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.MODEL 2SK363_V NJF (VTO=-574.395M BETA=95.173M LAMBDA=1M IS=10F RS=3.11187
+ CGD=36.6561P CGS=60.0451P PB=1.99682 KF=0.001F AF=500M )

.MODEL 2SK363BL NJF (VTO=-398.254M BETA=85.9633M LAMBDA=1M IS=10F CGD=36.6561P
+ CGS=60.0451P PB=1.99682 KF=0.001F AF=500M )

.MODEL 2SK363GR NJF (VTO=-337.112M BETA=80.3593M LAMBDA=1M IS=10F CGD=36.6561P
+ CGS=60.0451P PB=1.99682 KF=0.001F AF=500M )

Neither do I but some smart guys might tell you...

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Thanks Hugo !!!

Will try to compare with datasheet using a "MicroCap Curve Tracer"

For quick reference, Datasheets can be found here :

2SK369.pdf
2SK363.pdf

2SK363 seems to have a higher transconductance (60mS vs 40 mS typical), but at first glance, apart from the noise, seem to be close.

Thanks again.
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.model 2sk369 NJF(Beta=82.61m Rs=1.556 Rd=1.556 Betatce=-.5 Lambda=414.5u
+ Vto=-.3552 Vtotc=-2.5m Cgd=46.72p M=.3623 Pb=.3905 Fc=.5
+ Cgs=70.51p Isr=86.47p Nr=2 Is=8.647p N=1 Xti=3 Alpha=10u Vk=100
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Thanks a lot, Pedja !!

Haven't had the time to test my "software curve tracer" to compare Netlist's models to datasheet specs, but will do soon, now adding the model you kindly provided

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Hi James,

I already have a bunch of them, but thanks for your proposal !

BTW, I use MicroCap 7 from Spectrum Soft (http://www.spectrum-soft.com). Easy and quick.
Hi Cheff,

Thanks for your response. I didn't mean to sell you some 2SK369 although I can certainly do that. I meant getting the spice model for you for free using my connection to Toshiba. So, do you really want/need it?

The 2SK369 and 2SK363 are identical except 363 is low noise. These are the trade off --- low noise for high gain.

Thanks for telling me about your software. bty, are you using any PCB software? I'm using Easy PC. Cheap but I don't like it; it's more for digital/computer circuits. Will try out Spectrum Soft, thanks.

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