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Old 5th January 2013, 05:28 PM   #31
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the vast majority of modern available music is not highly dymanic and that factor was the big swinger in the calculation. normal people do not unfortunately listen to dynamic material, hell most people seem to listen to movies

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But more to the point of high Hi-Fi prices, I've seen and worked with items that retailed anywhere from 250% to 1200% markup over cost. It's all in what the market will bear.
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Old 5th January 2013, 05:32 PM   #33
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anyway I think we all understand the details of the arguments, I really dont want to argue with you guys, I actually like you both and ive had enough of argument today.

actually that was much more like discourse, everyone kept their heads (reasonably) cool, but you know what I mean.

re the market, yes Pano at both ends of the scale, like anything the market and society today, wealth is squashed at the extremes, people who want to pay nothing and people that will pay anything for image

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normal people do not unfortunately listen to dynamic material
I know I'm not normal, but do you have to rub it in?

Carly Simon, Elton John, The Doors. I think these CDs and other like them could be considered in the realm of "normal". They have surprising dynamic range. Don't forget, we're not talking about normal folks, were talking about Hi-Fi nuts.
 
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I really dont want to argue with you guys, I actually like you both and ive had enough of argument today.
Don't let a little argument bother you. It's really just a spirited discussion. Good for the mind and for the soul.
Maybe we can cure you of your Anglo-Saxon prejudice that arguing is a bad thing. (It takes time).
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But more to the point of high Hi-Fi prices, I've seen and worked with items that retailed anywhere from 250% to 1200% markup over cost. It's all in what the market will bear.
Exactly, and that's not 'bad' in itself.
If someone shells out $ 250 for a boutique cap and maintains that it transforms his HiFi to the very best, that's a good deal for him.
Who cares that the cap was a $ 0.75 mass produced item with a shiny jacket and gold-lettered rebranding?
Value is exclusively determined by the buyer, NOT the seller, although ad people try their best.

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are we talking about hifi nuts? I got the impression this guy was pretty white bread. maybe thats my prejudice..meh.

yeah see my edit, I rephrased it to read discourse, nothing wrong with healthy discourse. but..

Pano, i'll save the quote above for an emergency and remind Mooly of your encouragement. did you really just accuse me of a deep seated reluctance, or complex about arguing? I feel sure i've received at least one warning from you in the past for arguing and more to the point, I received one today, so you'll forgive me if I have some reservations about argument...erm I mean conversation with 2 of my favorite mods. everyone has wanted a piece of me over the last couple of days, so i'm a bit on edge.

I love arguing its good for the mind and soul, to a point... as long as its in the right spirit.

the doors? I thought all you guys died out, or at least just started muttering incomprehensibly decades ago... Ha

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If someone shells out $ 250 for a boutique cap and maintains that it transforms his HiFi to the very best, that's a good deal for him.
Yes, and you'll find that a lot of us on this forum would not do so. We figure we are smarter than that. But we will spend a lot of money on out cherished Hi-Fi systems when most folks get along just great with a radio or a car stereo.

I don't think it should cost $250 to go see a concert, either, but thousands of people pay it. Rock-n-Roll and Opera are more about the show than the music, anyway.
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I could have easily bought a Firstwatt amp for what have spent making my own. DOh! It wouldnt have been nearly as fun, though.
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yeah the price of live music ( large scale) is getting pretty obscene
 

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