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Old 7th January 2013, 05:40 PM   #171
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Bypass 'the industry'...!!!
you have to accept though that the industry products are sometimes superior. basic logic and facts tell us so. IMO used prices of commercial products give DIY a hard time. of course, given that price is the only issue involved. and this may be the real issue: is one willing to accept a few failures for a long-term learning experience? don't tell me that filling a few values in some free software gives you the perfect speaker, forever.
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Old 7th January 2013, 05:40 PM   #172
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it doesnt sound like the customer deserved such a favor. the customer wanted something for nothing on an ongoing basis by the sounds of it.

yeah Space Egg Corp, that does sound pretty naive to me. I love DIY and have made some superb gear unlike what I could get elsewhere, but there are also some things that I could not even hope to achieve given infinite time

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Old 7th January 2013, 05:43 PM   #173
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Here...Here !!

Tis the way I always look at it too.

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Hi Mr PP

Sorry...
...'the industry' products are NEVER superior...
...if they were; why is folk's around these parts, always twiddling with 'em.

Don't buy no more ( much ), just DIY !!!

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...if they were; why is folk's around these parts, always twiddling with 'em.
there is the knack, the fun factor, a bit of masochism and the willing to learn by doing mistakes. and (but that doesn't happen until a lot of experience is gained) there is the confidence that one can build a better product.
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yeah Space Egg Corp, that does sound pretty naive to me.
Mmmm...?

Not here it don't.

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then you arent thinking large enough
 
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people holding on to the belief that DIY is always superior do no good to the hobby as a whole. growth comes from doing mistakes and admitting that one needs to learn.
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Money doesn't come into it. It's about serving your customers. They aren't all going to be the same. Let satisfaction at a job well done rather than resentment be your guide. Give the customer what he wants.
I can only assume you have never run a business.

If I do freebies (or cheapies) for one customer he will tell other customers. They will all demand freebies/cheapies. Business goes bust. Then none of them get any help from me at any price.

In this case all customers were (more or less) the same: UK power stations, their suppliers, and their headquarters engineering people. One training officer in one power station did not understand our pricing model, and objected to paying (for very specialised training) less than he would have to pay for very generic (e.g. Word, Excel) IT training from other people. He wouldn't budge. I wouldn't budge. His power station staff received no training. A single mistake by any of them, caused by lack of training, could easily have cost tens or hundreds of times what the training would have cost. Up to the customer to run his own business.
 

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