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Old 8th June 2012, 06:14 AM   #21
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After seeing this picture, I stop buying any audio components from ebay, especially from those HK/China sellers.
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Old 8th June 2012, 08:11 AM   #22
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That photo has been circulating the web for years but without much explanation. I was reading somewhere, can't find at the moment, that somebody did this for fun. First of all, that cap if installed would probably blow away or make other damage to circuit. So I don't believe that anyone could be that crazy to make such fake thing and sell to people. What is more strange about this photo is that is the only one so far of that kind on web, and by further looking can be seen that the only one can is open (or never been closed) as there's no damage to the can at all.

However, I have no problem with Chinese stuff, whether is complete device or parts, and after all every company could complain and report fake products if sold on eBay.
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Old 9th June 2012, 06:42 PM   #23
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You get what you pay for.... The Chinese make fake everything! They make the outside look excellent, BUT, the inside quality is poor. They're looking to make money anyway possilbe. They have no respect for copyrights or care of consequents... Money, money, money... Lie, lie, lie... is the game... Support your authorized suppliers....
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That photo has been circulating the web for years but without much explanation. <snip>
It has, but nonetheless such poorly thought out counterfeits do actually exist, I've seen a couple over the years, and plenty that simply weren't what they were represented to be. I no longer buy electrolytics and most semiconductors on eBay.
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Old 9th June 2012, 07:32 PM   #25
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You get what you pay for.... The Chinese make fake everything! They make the outside look excellent, BUT, the inside quality is poor. They're looking to make money anyway possilbe. They have no respect for copyrights or care of consequents... Money, money, money... Lie, lie, lie... is the game... Support your authorized suppliers....
My local suppliers sell 99% of Chinese goods (for more money usually)

I don't see where's the point of accusing the whole country for fakery? China is producing goods for entire world, and many famous brands have relocated factories there, and as I have mentioned if any item is found to be fake there is way to report them, but not like this.

Who wants to buy extra quality will not go to ebay and search for cheap parts (and then complain of fakery)
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That photo has been circulating the web for years but without much explanation. I was reading somewhere, can't find at the moment, that somebody did this for fun. First of all, that cap if installed would probably blow away or make other damage to circuit....
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That was exactly kind of thing happened to a China made amp when I was trying to repair it many years ago.(didn't have DC at that time, otherwise could have taken some photos as a good souvenir of bad experience)

That amp didn't use this kind of fake caps, but it has a huge looking transformer enclosure, inside of which 80% space is filled with cement. On the output stage, it looked to have 10 pairs of mosfets on the heatsink, but after a closer look, 9 pairs have no legs, they were just installed there for decoration purpose. The amplifier looked heavy duty, felt heavy duty, but it was actually a heavy pile of shi****t, and both transistors and transformers got blown off after a couple of hours usage.

There are some respectable Chinese manufacturer making respectable equipments, but I will definitely avoid buying anything from unknown ebay seller from HK/China for any critical components, since most of those have to be fake at that kind of price.

I totally agree with what crispycircuit said in his post.
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Old 9th June 2012, 07:55 PM   #27
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I have two amplifiers - "no-name" China brands, two pre-amplifiers, one HDCD player bought directly from the sellers in China on ebay, and have zero problems with those for the last two years of use. In fact they work and sound amazing.
Harman/Kardon HD990 (Made in China, as all HK products nowadays) bought locally from company dealer skips when reproducing not so perfect CD's, even some new ones.
Now I want to replace some caps in my Yaqin preamp, and possibly in amplifiers, but not because those inside are bad, but for fun and as hobby, and all will buy via ebay. Some are already installed.
If I want to spend extra money I would rather buy NOS tube, than one overpriced cap.
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There is a large problem with counterfeit parts in the electronics industry today and not all are made in China.
I would say though that it is risky to purchase parts from any source where you cannot verify the provenance of the parts - that would unfortunately include a good number of eBay sellers as well as some less careful jobbers and vendors. I haven't found capacitors purchased on eBay to be particularly cheaper than say Digikey, Mouser or Allied Radio, and with these merchants have some idea of the distribution channels.

Most commodity electronic components are made in China these days and those made by reputable vendors whether Chinese or international are just fine at their respective quality point, it's the ones that you cannot vet their origins that are the problem, get them from someone who can categorically state that they came from where they were represented to come from.
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The difference you will find between brand parts made in China and no-name parts made in China is in the level of quality control used. Harmon Kardon can produce a high quality product in China because it ensures that the final product functions as intended. Some no-name Chinese-built things don't always function as advertised or fail sooner.
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The difference you will find between brand parts made in China and no-name parts made in China is in the level of quality control used. Harmon Kardon can produce a high quality product in China because it ensures that the final product functions as intended. Some no-name Chinese-built things don't always function as advertised or fail sooner.
Is this replay to my post?
If so, I perhaps was not so clear (due to language barrier). I said that famous brand Harman/Kardon (who has the factory in China) sell products around the world not always of the best quality. My CD player, that I bought this year from the official dealer in country, does skip during reproductions of not so perfect CD's (whatever "perfect" supoosed to be). On the other side, my HDCD MHZS CD33G that came directly from factory in China runs all CD's smooth no matter how old or scratched they are.
I hope I did clear this situation fair enough
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