Wiring of a transformer

AudioFreak · 13th January 2002, 02:37 AM

I've got an old EI core transformer with dual primaries (115/230V) with and a multi-tapped secondary with 5 wires.

What i need to know is this .... when i go to wire the primaries in series, how can i tell the beginning of a winding from the end of a winding?

norman · 13th January 2002, 03:50 AM

Your question makes no sense. What's the difference between the beginning and the end? A piece of wire has 2 ends. It seems to me they look the same.

norman

AudioFreak · 13th January 2002, 03:54 AM

with a transformer there is a 'beginning' and an 'end' to each winding .... the idea is that you wire the end of the 1st winding to the beginning of the second winding.

subwo1 · 13th January 2002, 03:56 AM

One way is to hook the primaries up to a small transformer's secondary. First check the primary windings with an ohm meter to tell which leads go to each primary. The small one can have a secondary rating of 12V, say. Then guess, and connect the primaries together. When you hook them to the small transformer, the one under test should not draw much current or load the 12V one. Otherwise, reverse one of the primaries.

You can also use a short lamp instead of the 12V transformer. If you get the connections wrong, the light will glow at full brightness. You can use a 60 or 100 watt light bulb to do the test.

Lisandro_P · 13th January 2002, 08:26 AM

You can wire the secondaries in series and check the voltage with a multimeter; if they're out of phase, the voltage will be low (zero if they're identical).

AudioFreak · 13th January 2002, 11:14 AM

thanks ... Lisandro_P, its the primaries i am concerned about not the secondaries.

blmn · 13th January 2002, 12:05 PM

AudioFreak,

I think you can put the secondaries (identicals) in paralel, applying a 60Hz signal from an generator and, with an scope, see the phase of the signal at the primaries. When tey are the same you can use it has a relative "beginnings" and "ends" for both sides of the transformers. Make it at opposite way works too, but, It's hard to setup and you must use more voltage.

regards

AudioFreak · 13th January 2002, 12:25 PM

thanks blmn i hadnt thought about that .... i'll try both methods and see what data i can gather.

PassFan · 13th January 2002, 02:51 PM

I know if you wire it wrong on a toroid the two fields oppose each other and produce enough demand to blow the 120v fuse protection. I'm not sure on an E-core. Yes, the voice of experience, the worlds fastest teacher.

AudioFreak · 13th January 2002, 02:53 PM

Yeah i agree PassFan,

Experience is the best although it might be painful gaining it

13th January 2002, 02:37 AM	#1
AudioFreak Warp Engineer On Holiday Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Queensland, Australia	Wiring of a transformer I've got an old EI core transformer with dual primaries (115/230V) with and a multi-tapped secondary with 5 wires. What i need to know is this .... when i go to wire the primaries in series, how can i tell the beginning of a winding from the end of a winding?

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13th January 2002, 03:50 AM	#2
norman diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Oregon, USA	Your question makes no sense. What's the difference between the beginning and the end? A piece of wire has 2 ends. It seems to me they look the same. norman

13th January 2002, 03:54 AM	#3
AudioFreak Warp Engineer On Holiday Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Queensland, Australia	with a transformer there is a 'beginning' and an 'end' to each winding .... the idea is that you wire the end of the 1st winding to the beginning of the second winding.

13th January 2002, 03:56 AM	#4
subwo1 diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: North American Continent	One way is to hook the primaries up to a small transformer's secondary. First check the primary windings with an ohm meter to tell which leads go to each primary. The small one can have a secondary rating of 12V, say. Then guess, and connect the primaries together. When you hook them to the small transformer, the one under test should not draw much current or load the 12V one. Otherwise, reverse one of the primaries. You can also use a short lamp instead of the 12V transformer. If you get the connections wrong, the light will glow at full brightness. You can use a 60 or 100 watt light bulb to do the test.

13th January 2002, 08:26 AM	#5
Lisandro_P diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Argentina	You can wire the secondaries in series and check the voltage with a multimeter; if they're out of phase, the voltage will be low (zero if they're identical).

13th January 2002, 11:14 AM	#6
AudioFreak Warp Engineer On Holiday Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Queensland, Australia	thanks ... Lisandro_P, its the primaries i am concerned about not the secondaries.

13th January 2002, 12:05 PM	#7
blmn diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: .	AudioFreak, I think you can put the secondaries (identicals) in paralel, applying a 60Hz signal from an generator and, with an scope, see the phase of the signal at the primaries. When tey are the same you can use it has a relative "beginnings" and "ends" for both sides of the transformers. Make it at opposite way works too, but, It's hard to setup and you must use more voltage. regards

13th January 2002, 12:25 PM	#8
AudioFreak Warp Engineer On Holiday Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Queensland, Australia	thanks blmn i hadnt thought about that .... i'll try both methods and see what data i can gather.

13th January 2002, 02:51 PM	#9
PassFan diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Central FL	I know if you wire it wrong on a toroid the two fields oppose each other and produce enough demand to blow the 120v fuse protection. I'm not sure on an E-core. Yes, the voice of experience, the worlds fastest teacher.

13th January 2002, 02:53 PM	#10
AudioFreak Warp Engineer On Holiday Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Queensland, Australia	Yeah i agree PassFan, Experience is the best although it might be painful gaining it