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Old 9th January 2011, 04:27 PM   #11
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Default Can anyone ID this cap?

Non-polar electrolytic.

Manufactured by TSI in 12th week of 1977.

Here are several similar caps in a crossover from a Triad mini-system from the mid-eighties. Note the date code: 8210 (10th week 1982)

The 200uf cap is 2.1" x 0.7". Way, way, way too small to be anything but electrolytic.
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Old 9th January 2011, 06:23 PM   #12
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Mea culpa, more likely neither film nor electrolytic (imo).

They're small/large enough to be paper in oil caps.
These and Callin PIO caps were used in Altec '70s/'80s models ; Nineteen, Santiago, Santana II, Valencia, etc.

Example picture (scuse the non bipolar part)=>
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Old 9th January 2011, 08:13 PM   #13
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Non-polar electrolytic.

Manufactured by TSI in 12th week of 1977.

Here are several similar caps in a crossover from a Triad mini-system from the mid-eighties. Note the date code: 8210 (10th week 1982)

The 200uf cap is 2.1" x 0.7". Way, way, way too small to be anything but electrolytic.
It are bipolar electrolytics giving typical "English" sound.

If you replace these by plastic film caps you get a totally different sound.

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I think Jacco gets the prize on this one.

Having never (until about ten minutes ago) cut one open, I would not have believed a PIO cap could have the volumetric efficiency to pack 200uf in so small a package. However, given the low voltage rating, it appears that it is indeed possible.

Interestingly, the 2mil (0.06mm!) foil electrodes appear to be something other than aluminum. Tin perhaps? One thing is certain: they do not melt or oxidize when heated to almost white heat with a torch. Definitely not aluminum.

In any event, I think most of us would agree that these capacitors would best be replaced with ones using a more modern dielectric.
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Old 10th January 2011, 04:45 AM   #15
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In any event, I think most of us would agree that these capacitors would best be replaced with ones using a more modern dielectric.
This will dramatically alter the voicing of the speaker. Maybe even for the better.


I am also surprised by the contents of the cap. Many thanks to you and Jacco.
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Huh,interesting. Thanks for the investigation guys! I guess I'll order up some new caps and call it good.
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