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Old 15th May 2013, 04:44 AM   #571
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Old 15th May 2013, 07:12 AM   #572
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I hope you are not over reacting due to how the 'repair market' has been in the past. Some repair technicians are very good though they charge a lot compared to what they did several years ago. Sometimes they fix it without parts change and claim for parts that they 'did not change' ! But they do fix it. Removing chips or parts is not easy and they will not benefit from it ! Unless of course the machine is declared dead and useless.

I think this is nothing new in the global scenario. You have the honest ones and the dishonest ones. Bottom line is if they fixed the problem or not !

The VAM 12.02 mechanism is used in several CD players. The spare mechanism ( laser assembly ) is available in most local electronics spares market. They used to cost Rs 325/- a few years ago and now it costs Rs 500/- . They have always been made in China , even units from several years ago!

You will find this unit being referred to in several old threads with some users claiming that the Chinese made ones are flaky or do not work. I have bought at least six units over the last several years for friends and all were Chinese made and all of them worked. We bought one a few weeks ago and it works partially. But I think the machine has an inherent problem on the main board as the laser doesn't come on and that was the reason why we changed it !

You cannot buy the laser module or just a small part . It comes as a full assembly that goes into your CD mechanism. You can find the laser assembly WITH the mechanism listed on ebay.
vam 12.02 cd laser mechanism | eBay

Do note that Singapore forum members did complain about mechanism's they bought there . Some worked and some did not. So this isn't an Indian problem. It was much more expensive in Singapore. Replacement is tricky but easy.

1. You need to disconnect one plugin multi-pin terminal and two plug in connectors on the main board. Then remove the three mounting screws to remove the full CD mechanism from the machine. The front edge of the mechanism also has to be removed. It is clipped in and you need to pull it off from the bottom edge. Look at it carefully and you will see how.
2. You need to desolder the two motor leads ( NOTE which lead goes to which terminal...write it down !)
3. You need to disconnect a brown flat cable connector on the mechanism.
3. You need to remove the laser assembly from the flexible rubber ( plastic?) attachments (x4). If you are careless you can cut them and spares are not available !
4. Replace with the new mechanism.
5. Connect the flexible cable connector.
6. Resolder the motor leads.
7. Make sure the laser assembly is properly attached . All four rubbery mountings should be attached properly.
8. Put back the full assembly into the machine. Reconnect the flat connector and the two other main board connectors.
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Old 15th May 2013, 07:27 AM   #573
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Hi Ashok,
I am assuming you directed your posting for me. If not, then please ignore this. In the present case of mine, the guy sent me the laser mechanism saying it is brand new. If you look at the mechanism your reaction will be the same as mine. This is not an issue of repairing, rather dishonesty, because he did not repair anything, just sold the part to me. In brief, I write what I found in the part:

1. Dry solders. 2. The connector connection tracks cut at several places, which can happen only if it is used for many years. 3. The place around the laser head and circuitry is full of dust and grease, again a sign of long time use.

He sold me exactly the following Sanyo part, but used one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SF-P101N-16-...-/400416627168

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Old 15th May 2013, 07:47 AM   #574
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Hi Roushon,
Yes I was partly referring to your problem. However it hadn't occurred to me that you were talking about the 'unused' part that was sent to you. As you have described now ,it certainly looks like you have been conned.
New Vam mechanism's come packed in bubble pack in a small white cardboard box. The market here gets them from Mumbai I think. I've never seen a used mechanism in the market !

You said you had a Marantz CD-63. This Sanyo part you have shown is not the replacement part you need ! Buy a VAM 12.02 from Lamington road. Someone will have it. I've attached a picture of it.
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Old 15th May 2013, 07:50 AM   #575
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This is just the laser assembly part , which is what you need. Here is a picture of the whole mechanism. Taken from
vam 12.02 cd laser mechanism | eBay
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Old 15th May 2013, 07:59 AM   #576
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Thanks again Ashok. I have Marantz CD-5003. I still do not
know if this Sanyo part is compatible circuit wise as you can see the number of problems it has. But it looks exactly the same as the installed one in the player.

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Old 15th May 2013, 08:14 AM   #577
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OK. I goofed that. I guess that I see so many references to the CD-63/67 that I did not notice your machine was different.
Maybe you should just buy it from Ebay unless you can find a new one somewhere on Lamington road. Better to try and get it across the shelf so that you can check it visually before buying it.
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Old 16th May 2013, 05:54 AM   #578
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Every time I bought something, or anything for that matter, from food processor to car, quality was like 'made on footpath'

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Old 16th May 2013, 07:39 AM   #579
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Every time I bought something, or anything for that matter, from food processor to car, quality was like 'made on footpath'

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Absolutely. Agree 100%. I waste lots of time just to fix (and make it safe) newly
purchased things. Over that, the customer services of companies (some are famous and
established e.g., IFB) are nightmare, they serve your product in such a way that you need
to call them back soon and finally they will ask you to get an AMC. I stopped taking
AMC years back for any of the machine we use. Just a waste of money.

Do not want to change the policy of this thread, but I must say this here, so that people
can be careful.

Recently, our IFB Microwave oven went wrong and I called the IFB service center. The
technician checked and told that the main PCB board (Rs 3500/-) has gone bad and need
replacement. But it was an old model so need some time to procure the board. After
about 10 days I was frustrated calling them and opened the machine myself. After
carefully examining, did not find any problem with the PCB, but the main problem was
with the door lock. I solved the problem with a piece of plastic and Rs 5/- FeviQuick. The
machine is back to its original self.

Sorry for the long story. This is my India.

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Old 16th May 2013, 12:59 PM   #580
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Hey guys don't crib too much. Many repair guys overseas are also like this. As usual there are the good guys and the not so good guys. It's a human trend. You should try to locate the good guys . Ask around or check the forums .
You will find reliable people.
In our city independent service guys appear to be better than company service centers. They usually depend on word of mouth for advertising. So if you hear of one note it down in your diary. Never know when you will need him.The problem could be if you need a part that only the company can provide!

I once had to fix my Thomson TV ( no picture). I took it to the Thomson service center. They did fix it. They told me they had to replace the main chip and charged me a ridiculous amount. Much later I opened up the set and found that there was only one large chip inside ( and some much smaller ones)and it wasn't replaced. In fact it couldn't have been removed without specialised equipment which I know for sure they did not have. I found some resistors that were replaced ! The solder work was so poor ! There's nothing one can do about such situations.
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