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Old 18th February 2012, 09:26 PM   #21
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Old 19th February 2012, 02:03 PM   #22
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It looks so pretty, but breaks so many rules about good balanced interconnect cables.
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Old 19th February 2012, 02:48 PM   #23
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Balanced inputs and outputs are invented to reduce noise picked by cables,
Balancing will not make sound better, it will just add more electronics in sound path.
It is good for long microphone cables with low level signals, also in recording studios with kilometers of cabling.
But for short paths, counter-rotating helix geometry is a winner.

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Old 19th February 2012, 06:07 PM   #24
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white conductor is not a part of helix geometry

"Some embodiments of the present invention
also comprise drain wires which are not interlacing elements
and which run longitudinally within or adjacent to the helices.
Shielding may also be employed to help reduce noise from external sources."


it is commonly used for grounding, and should be larger in diameter
(easier to braid)

there is 6+6 awg13 conductors
and it is only for heavy loads (amplifiers, welding machines etc )

I hope this helps
Thanks for the information & pic

I have few questions:
-12 conductors of 6 awg each for power? no conductor for ground?
-how many conductors and awg for signal? balanced cable no conductor for ground?
-or all cable have to be shielded with a copper/silver braid?

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Do you use figure 2 of pdf?
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Old 19th February 2012, 08:08 PM   #26
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yes, more conductors - better performance

you can shielded it if you want
geometry itself will remove all noises
read the patent fig 7 and 8
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2x3 conductors in helix geometry, each 2,5mm˛
sum 2x7,5mm˛ (somewhere between 8 and 9 AWG)
central ground wire 6mm˛,
crimped with copper end sleeves,
wattgate connectors

now connected on my old pc monitor for pre burn in
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Old 25th June 2012, 09:01 AM   #28
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strange argument, just because balanced interconnects and equipment was invented for long cable runs, does not mean its inferior for short runs, its still better to make a balanced interconnect so that it actually makes use of the balanced connection. Making it so that it doesnt, but still using it balanced will make it worse, not better.

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Balanced inputs and outputs are invented to reduce noise picked by cables,
Balancing will not make sound better, it will just add more electronics in sound path.
It is good for long microphone cables with low level signals, also in recording studios with kilometers of cabling.
But for short paths, counter-rotating helix geometry is a winner.

"With digital sources it was almost as if we had switched from 44.1k/16 bit to96k/24 bit. We now run all our analogue machines, workstations and the mixing console from the Shunyata equipment."
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"The Anaconda PowerSnakes, have transformed our Sonoma system, used during the mastering process for the new 5.1 SACD mix of 'The Dark Side of The Moon'."
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Old 25th June 2012, 03:34 PM   #29
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A balanced circuit is a two-conductor circuit in which both conductors and all circuits connected to them have the same impedance with respect to ground and to all other conductors. The purpose of balancing is to make the noise pickup equal in both conductors, in which case it will be
a common-mode signal that can be made to cancel out in the load
And most critical point is microphone input at studio mixing console
or various microphone amplifiers and processors.
In home, only low level signal source is turntable.

Main problem is a cable. Every cable will change sound
due to internal impedance, and it will pick surrounding noise more or less.
There is no perfect cable on our planet.

With helix geometry you have a cable highly resistant to externally induced distortion, minimized distortion caused by "skin-effect" and minimized internal impedance.
Shielding may also be employed to help reduce noise from external sources.
And in home appliances, with helix cable, you can eliminate external noises in that level that balanced circuit will only degrade sound.

And, no I don' work for Shunyata
I am only a studio technician with great respect to my friends recording engineers.

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Balanced is differential signal transmission, the best way of transmitting signals analogue or digital.
Why is this sort of cable nor used in sensitive equipment rather than fully shielded, if it so good at avoiding noise. And what is skine effect distortion!!!
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