Go Back   Home > Forums > Design & Build > Parts
Home Forums Rules Articles Store Gallery Blogs Register Donations FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Parts Where to get, and how to make the best bits. PCB's, caps, transformers, etc.

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 17th May 2003, 02:54 PM   #121
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: London UK
Default Re: I think you misunderstand the tune method

The tune method has nothing to do with foot tapping.

The idea is to hum along to the tune (out loud or in your head). The system that makes it easier to follow (and this works really well with unfamiliar music where you have no pre-defined responses) is the best.
----------------------------------------------------------------
How do you hum to the tune of Mahler 5? Tune method I first heard from the Linn people. I have to say that it failed to convince, except with certain types of music. The SACD people are quite crafty in that they had chosen to promote Jazz and pop first; the classics are only so so. Again I go back to pyscology.

My point all the way is that the first post ought to be musicality, followed by whatever method an individual or group uses to assess merit. There is no general theory that can govern individual repsonses.

May be we should leave it there and move back to regulators.

Have you treid the LT1963 and 1964?
  Reply With Quote
Old 17th May 2003, 03:27 PM   #122
ALW is offline ALW  United Kingdom
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: UK
Quote:
May be we should leave it there and move back to regulators.
That might be wise

Quote:
Have you treid the LT1963 and 1964?
I haven't, but I will - any tips?

Regards,

Andy.
  Reply With Quote
Old 17th May 2003, 03:57 PM   #123
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: London UK
I haven't, but I will - any tips?

Andy
----------------------------------------------

I first treid the 1762 in SMT 8. Decided to use SMT to DIL adaptor. Failed probably due to sense track resistance or contact resistance. 600uv of 50 Hz instead of 20 uV noise.

LT1763 was easy, TO220 and worked to spec, 40uV noise as per spec dropping to 15 with 2200uF. Seems good for replacing 78xx. Ultra low drop out seems advantageous.
  Reply With Quote
Old 19th May 2003, 08:37 PM   #124
dipchip is offline dipchip  United States
diyAudio Member
 
dipchip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: dracut, mass
Andy,

Have you ever measured the performace of a pre-regulator (like on your current board) feeding a normal 78xx fixed output linear regulator.

I'm wondering how large the performance difference is between the above, and your current implementation?

Thanks,
Craig Beiferman
  Reply With Quote
Old 19th May 2003, 09:03 PM   #125
diyAudio Retiree
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Spain or the pueblo of Los Angeles
Unhappy Just a little bit..........

"I'm wondering how large the performance difference is between the above, and your current implementation?"

A few orders of magnitude, like between a hundred and a thousand times better measured PSRR and output impedance for the op amp based regulator circuit.

I don't understand this fondness for 7800 type regulators. They are pretty bad and even a LM317 with bypassed adjustment is much better and not that complicated to build. Give it up folks. The only 7800 virture is they are cheap and simple.
  Reply With Quote
Old 19th May 2003, 09:10 PM   #126
Bricolo is offline Bricolo  France
diyAudio Member
 
Bricolo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Grenoble, FR
Default Re: Just a little bit..........

Quote:
Originally posted by Fred Dieckmann
"I'm wondering how large the performance difference is between the above, and your current implementation?"

A few orders of magnitude, like between a hundred and a thousand times better measured PSRR and output impedance for the op amp based regulator circuit.

I don't understand this fondness for 7800 type regulators. They are pretty bad and even a LM317 with bypassed adjustment is much better and not that complicated to build. Give it up folks. The only 7800 virture is they are cheap and simple.
So, Fred, what is in your opinion the best IC regulator design?

I mean a regulator+some passive parts around it, or even a prereg+regulator+parts.

The best thing we can build easilly, not a design with a regulator+opamp+2 bjt+36 ccs+passive parts
  Reply With Quote
Old 19th May 2003, 09:19 PM   #127
diyAudio Retiree
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Spain or the pueblo of Los Angeles
Wink Ask Peter Daniels......

I believe I have already posted a suggested circuit or two.......

He who snoozes loses.
  Reply With Quote
Old 19th May 2003, 09:27 PM   #128
Bricolo is offline Bricolo  France
diyAudio Member
 
Bricolo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Grenoble, FR
Default Re: Ask Peter Daniels......

Quote:
Originally posted by Fred Dieckmann
I believe I have already posted a suggested circuit or two.......

He who snoozes loses.

on this thread?
my 56K modem isn't in a mood to search all the forum this evening
  Reply With Quote
Old 20th May 2003, 01:13 AM   #129
diyAudio Senior Member
 
fdegrove's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Belgium
Default REGS.

Hi,

Putting a large cap behind the reg may be fine if the reg won't go into oscilation...

I agree that in that case the dominant factor will be the cap as seen by the circuit hanging off it it and I often find my self prefering that situation.

Then again, you may want to "perfect" that cap by using film bypasses, it will be fast and the regulator will only function as a buffer and keep the crud out of the supply.

Obviously, for high current demands it's not all that simple...

Cheers,
__________________
Frank
  Reply With Quote
Old 27th April 2004, 11:43 AM   #130
Electrons are yellow and more is better!
diyAudio Member
 
peranders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Göteborg, Sweden
Blog Entries: 4
Default Re: Who's design

Quote:
Originally posted by Fred Dieckmann
Has anybody asked Walt Jung about using his design (and it sure looks like his design to me) for commercial purposes? A magazine is selling the boards for his regulator with his permission if i am not mistaken.

I know you have the mounting foot print but, do you really think that thing is going to fit in someone equipment as an after market mod? ITS HUGE

You might want to see what the competition is doing..........
Fred, Audiocom's regulator is pure Sulzer regulator, LM336 2.5 volts, OPA27 and the opamp is feed from the unstablized side.

Nice piece of engineering altough the cap at the top isn't soldered!

The pcb has groundplane which is connected to "in".
Attached Images
File Type: jpg audiocomssr.jpg (25.1 KB, 1385 views)
__________________
/Per-Anders (my first name) or P-A as my friends call me
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Jung Super Regulator audionut Solid State 5 7th August 2009 02:07 PM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 04:42 PM.

Page generated in 0.12210 seconds (79.55% PHP - 20.45% MySQL) with 11 queries

Copyright ©1999-2012 diyAudio