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Natural dielectrics (in caps and wire) like silk, paper and cotton sound more natural
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View Poll Results: Natural dielectrics like silk,paper or cotton sound more natural than say polyprop
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Old 4th September 2009, 03:51 PM   #1
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Default Natural dielectrics (in caps and wire) like silk, paper and cotton sound more natural

than their "artificial" counterparts such as teflon, polyprop, etc.

What are your thoughts on this.
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than their "artificial" counterparts such as teflon, polyprop, etc.

What are your thoughts on this.
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Personally I prefer natural materials. But I've always been struck by the metaphysical relationships between a material and its "sound." Like tubes sound "warm," solid state sounds "hard," silver sounds "bright," etc.

It seems pretty clear that there's some psychology going on here.

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Hi Steve,

In a blind listening test I liked the cap with a natural dielectric the most. And the teflon ones made my skin crawl.

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It seems pretty clear that there's some psychology going on here.

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Some of my tube builds have sounded harsh, my chipamp with Elnas in the supply warm, (some of) my silver wiring mellow. Help!


edit: Bas, if you could, what did you hear in the Teflons?
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lead-free solder sounds brighter than 60/40


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Natural dielectrics (in caps and wire) like silk, paper and cotton sound more natural
Connections soldered by non-vegans tend to impart a harsh and lifeless quality to the music.
Any expert audiophile will detect this easily.
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than their "artificial" counterparts such as teflon, polyprop, etc.

What are your thoughts on this.
Sorry but this is absurd. Quality capacitors sound better, regardless of the technology. Polypropylen and Polyestirene are the ones with better reputation AFAIK.

But a better CIRCUIT DESIGN is much more important than the type of capacitors or resistor used.

It makes me remember of those audiophiles that buy things as "CD stabilizer rings" to make "sound more stable", or that they think that placing the turntable on a marble plinth will make the sound more "solid"... or that a wooden turntable arm will give an "organic sound", or that placing a CD under a hot bulb for 15 minutes before playing will give a "warmer sound"
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But a better CIRCUIT DESIGN is much more important than the type of capacitors or resistor used.
Who said different?
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There must be some basis to it.

Hashimoto and Audio Note among others say they have tried various interleave insulation materials but they all find paper sounding better.

http://www.audionote.co.uk/articles/...r_design.shtml
http://www.tube-amps.net/Technical_Aspects.htm

http://magneticcomponents.net/HearWh...merFromUs.html
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