What Happened to My Monster Cable? - Page 2

analog_sa · 2nd May 2009, 09:23 AM

Another anti-Monster conspiracy?

My cables look as bright and shiny as the day i bought them 20 years ago. Mostly worked as power cords as they stank as speaker wires. Must be the cleaner air in the 3rd world - 10 years in Zim and ten in SA.

Geek · 2nd May 2009, 09:57 AM

Come to think of it, I did see clear lamp cords doing that, but only after 20+ years (these lamps we had on the farm where I grew up).

AndrewT · 2nd May 2009, 10:42 AM

tinned and tin plated copper strands don't do this.

rephil · 2nd May 2009, 10:52 AM

Hi analog_sa,

It is not an anti-Monster conspiracy. Mine were the same as those presented by lgreen, and they had clear reddish parts in a few places too. At that time I got them for free with my speakers, so I am stil very satisfied of the 20+ years of use of those cables… Even if I have thrown them away a few monthes ago.

IMO, paying for cables is a sad situation : you should not do that as long as you don't know what you get for your money.

Regards, rephil

QSerraTico_Tico · 2nd May 2009, 11:08 AM

Many years back in the eighties Monster had a bad batch. Customers could exchange their cable for free and the shop I worked got a huge pile of discolered cable in no time.

jitter · 2nd May 2009, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CharleyW
Actually, no - you should see the wire leads in my ST-70 transformers (1967 vintage) - colored PVC insulation and very green.

It's the 'C' in PVC - Poly Vinyl Chloride. Put a bare copper wire in swimming pool and see what happenes to it - the chloride accelarates the tarnisg process.

A chemical compound has completely different characteristics than the separate parts, otherwise you'd surely have died by now by putting salt on your food... Kitchen salt = Sodium Chloride...

To lgreen: that's indeed oxide. The insulator must have gone (more) porous and allowed oxygen to reach the copper strands.

Magura · 2nd May 2009, 05:11 PM

The PVC does release chloride over time, especially if heated a bit.

When processing PVC, special stainless moulds and machinery is called for, anything else corrodes.

Some types of PVC are worse in the respect than others, but it's hard to tell which type of PVC you have.

Conclusion: Stay clear of PVC.

Magura

Ron E · 2nd May 2009, 05:21 PM

The wires are doing their job, cleaning up the nasty signal from your amp - that black goo is from bad electrons...

Or maybe it is just accumulating the bad karma of the company.

MJL21193 · 2nd May 2009, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ron E
The wires are doing their job, cleaning up the nasty signal from your amp - that black goo is from bad electrons...

Time to buy replacements - those are full.

lowtherdream · 2nd May 2009, 05:47 PM

The green color on the copper wire is ink from the money they sucked from your wallet

2nd May 2009, 10:42 AM	#13
AndrewT diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Scottish Borders	tinned and tin plated copper strands don't do this. __________________ regards Andrew T.

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Magura diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Denmark, Viborg	The PVC does release chloride over time, especially if heated a bit. When processing PVC, special stainless moulds and machinery is called for, anything else corrodes. Some types of PVC are worse in the respect than others, but it's hard to tell which type of PVC you have. Conclusion: Stay clear of PVC. Magura __________________ Everything is possible....to do the impossible just takes a little while longer. www.class-a-labs.com

2nd May 2009, 05:21 PM	#18
Ron E diyAudio Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: USA, MN	The wires are doing their job, cleaning up the nasty signal from your amp - that black goo is from bad electrons... Or maybe it is just accumulating the bad karma of the company. __________________ Our species needs, and deserves, a citizenry with minds wide awake and a basic understanding of how the world works. --Carl Sagan Science is a way of thinking much more than it is a body of knowledge. --Carl Sagan

2nd May 2009, 05:47 PM	#20
lowtherdream diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada	The green color on the copper wire is ink from the money they sucked from your wallet __________________ surfing the 2nd harmonic ... @@@@

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2nd May 2009, 09:57 AM	#12
Geek diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2004	Come to think of it, I did see clear lamp cords doing that, but only after 20+ years (these lamps we had on the farm where I grew up).

2nd May 2009, 10:52 AM	#14
rephil diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: In Belgium at the French border.	Hi analog_sa, It is not an anti-Monster conspiracy. Mine were the same as those presented by lgreen, and they had clear reddish parts in a few places too. At that time I got them for free with my speakers, so I am stil very satisfied of the 20+ years of use of those cables… Even if I have thrown them away a few monthes ago. IMO, paying for cables is a sad situation : you should not do that as long as you don't know what you get for your money. Regards, rephil

2nd May 2009, 11:08 AM	#15
QSerraTico_Tico diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2004	Many years back in the eighties Monster had a bad batch. Customers could exchange their cable for free and the shop I worked got a huge pile of discolered cable in no time.

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