i have an amp i am currently repairing, and with a lot of help from a fellow forum member, the problem seems to be one of the transistors in the control circuit (power supply). since there aren't a lot of transistors in that circuit the plan is to just replace them all, they are:
2sa949(o,y) quantity 1
2sa970(gr,bl) quantity 1
2sc1815(o,y) quantity 2
2sc2240(gr,bl) quantity 1
tlp508(v) quantity 1 (unlikely this is the culprit, but might as well replace it anyway if i can find it(not available at newark))
my question is the only store that i can find them all at online (ie www.newark.com) have transistors that are close, but not exact for example, i need a 2SC2240(gr,bl) but and only find a 2SC2240 or, i need a 2sc1815(o,y) but can only find a 2SC1815-Y. can anyone help me out with these letters after the transistor number? i have been told they are somewhat interchangeable as they deal with how the leads are positions? google hasn't been any help to me on this one...
thanks!!
2sa949(o,y) quantity 1
2sa970(gr,bl) quantity 1
2sc1815(o,y) quantity 2
2sc2240(gr,bl) quantity 1
tlp508(v) quantity 1 (unlikely this is the culprit, but might as well replace it anyway if i can find it(not available at newark))
my question is the only store that i can find them all at online (ie www.newark.com) have transistors that are close, but not exact for example, i need a 2SC2240(gr,bl) but and only find a 2SC2240 or, i need a 2sc1815(o,y) but can only find a 2SC1815-Y. can anyone help me out with these letters after the transistor number? i have been told they are somewhat interchangeable as they deal with how the leads are positions? google hasn't been any help to me on this one...
thanks!!
The letters after the transistor name are gain bandings.
gr=green
bl=blue
o=orange
y=yellow
this may give you some idea :-
http://www.rfparts.com/tranmatch.html
Otherwise they are the same transistor.
Andy
gr=green
bl=blue
o=orange
y=yellow
this may give you some idea :-
http://www.rfparts.com/tranmatch.html
Otherwise they are the same transistor.
Andy
If the schematic mentions two hFe classes it means you can use either one.
Also means that you are not supposed to use a device with an hFe class other than those mentioned.
So, either O or Y grade, and either GR or BL grade.
The O and Y hFe grades overlap eachother, so do the highest GR and BL grade.
O is up to 140, Y lower than 240, GR can go as high as 400, BL devices are the best and can have hFe values as high as 700.
TLP508 reads as a LED optocoupler, those come in diferent grades too.
Also means that you are not supposed to use a device with an hFe class other than those mentioned.
So, either O or Y grade, and either GR or BL grade.
The O and Y hFe grades overlap eachother, so do the highest GR and BL grade.
O is up to 140, Y lower than 240, GR can go as high as 400, BL devices are the best and can have hFe values as high as 700.
TLP508 reads as a LED optocoupler, those come in diferent grades too.
Why not test them and only replace the bad one? This little guy won't set you back much and does the job.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=90899
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=90899
DreadPirate said:
actually i have fluke 87 that i bought for fixing this amp, and is how i have narrowed it down this far. ill pull them all off the circuit board and test them. it seems to be a relativly simply procedure to measure the resistance over various leads.
then we can sort out the correct class. considering the price of the transistors, ill still probably replace what i can, but it would be nice to confirm this is the problem.
what i dont get is when i find the transistors listed online, they dont list a hFe class for them, if they dont list a class, does it mean they dont have them and they are wrong? or would i have to track down the manufuactors specs for it to find the correct class?
Hi,
very few vendors tell you what hFE class their stock is.
The exception are the BC5xx series that are commonly specified with suffix b or c.
The datasheet for each transistor will tell if the transistor is available with pre-selected hFE grades and what letter codes are used.
Many amplifiers will work with any grade in any position, but some specifications can be improved if a more precise gain is specified.
very few vendors tell you what hFE class their stock is.
The exception are the BC5xx series that are commonly specified with suffix b or c.
The datasheet for each transistor will tell if the transistor is available with pre-selected hFE grades and what letter codes are used.
Many amplifiers will work with any grade in any position, but some specifications can be improved if a more precise gain is specified.
DreadPirate said:
i followed this procedure to test the transistors:
all of them seemed to check out. resistance on the leads that provided one were in the 3 to 6 M ohm range readings from the c and the e leads were within 0.8 M ohm on any given transistor.
i though for sure this was the problem, oh well back to trouble shooting (and soldering all these transistors back in!
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too late, there all back in, but it seems to be working properly again. im going to plug it back into the theater and give it a work out today and see if it takes it. Previously it was always going into protection, and it was using alot of power (twice as much as my other 3 amps put together!)
ill let you guys know how it performs. it would be the first time i though something was fixed only to have to take it apart again...
ill let you guys know how it performs. it would be the first time i though something was fixed only to have to take it apart again...
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