Pure Copper conductor deposited on a ferrous core?!?!?

pjpoes · 3rd July 2007, 09:54 PM

Ok so I was looking around on Ebay, and noticed Zu Cables talking about how great its cables are. It mentioned having a foamed PE insulation, ok thats good, and a pure copper conductor deposited on a ferrous core. Now am I crazy or is that copper clad steel??? I mean of all conductors I was of the impression that it was the audiophiles Antichrist to have copper clad steel.

SY · 3rd July 2007, 10:06 PM

Oh, no, it's very different than copper-clad steel. Copper-clad steel is $0.05/ft, whereas "pure copper deposited on a ferrous core" is $5.00 a foot. It's like the difference between toast and pain grillee.

pjpoes · 3rd July 2007, 10:12 PM

yeah I think I will have to invent a cable company and begin playing the same marketing game. I mean, if you buy their marketing or not is not the point of this, at least typically the stuff they do follows some level of logic. You can say that you can't actually hear the difference between single crystal copper or CCC and regular copper, or even OFC vs regular copper, but at least you know the extra money went to a different process, or at least we hope there is an actual difference. However, to actually be selling a product which only exists as a way to save cost over very long runs while adding load strength, because it actually sounds better, even though we know its an inferior conductor, is just ridiculous. I mean, even looking at silver coated copper, or tin coated copper, there is a pretty big difference in the metal structure of a dipped coating and a die extruded metal.

SY · 4th July 2007, 12:50 AM

The important bit is the nanocellular mixed-phase olefin-based dielectric. That's worth a whole lot more than foamed PE.

anatech · 4th July 2007, 01:48 AM

Hi SY,
Not another cable thread!!!!

You promised to be good too!

-Chris

poobah · 4th July 2007, 06:23 AM

Did I hear sombody say:

CABLE???????????

anatech · 4th July 2007, 05:26 PM

He's baaaaack!

Cool! Great to "see" you, you big fuzzball!

How are you doing Rob?

-Chris

poobah · 4th July 2007, 07:09 PM

Just lurking...

anatech · 4th July 2007, 08:51 PM

Feel free!

It's really great to see you around. Welcome back!

-Chris

Nordic · 5th July 2007, 07:52 AM

Poobah you unfortunate soul.... I am replaying KOTOR 2, and the poor wookies can use almost none of the cool armour...

3rd July 2007, 09:54 PM	#1
pjpoes diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York	Pure Copper conductor deposited on a ferrous core?!?!? Ok so I was looking around on Ebay, and noticed Zu Cables talking about how great its cables are. It mentioned having a foamed PE insulation, ok thats good, and a pure copper conductor deposited on a ferrous core. Now am I crazy or is that copper clad steel??? I mean of all conductors I was of the impression that it was the audiophiles Antichrist to have copper clad steel.

3rd July 2007, 10:06 PM	#2
SY Tetsujin diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Austin, TX	Oh, no, it's very different than copper-clad steel. Copper-clad steel is $0.05/ft, whereas "pure copper deposited on a ferrous core" is $5.00 a foot. It's like the difference between toast and pain grillee. __________________ "We all feel like that, Reggie, now and then, especially when Spring is upon us, but few of us would care to put it on our cards." — Sir Archibald Clerk-Kerr

4th July 2007, 12:50 AM	#4
SY Tetsujin diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Austin, TX	The important bit is the nanocellular mixed-phase olefin-based dielectric. That's worth a whole lot more than foamed PE. __________________ "We all feel like that, Reggie, now and then, especially when Spring is upon us, but few of us would care to put it on our cards." — Sir Archibald Clerk-Kerr

4th July 2007, 01:48 AM	#5
anatech diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Georgetown, On	Hi SY, Not another cable thread!!!! You promised to be good too! -Chris __________________ "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" © my Wife

4th July 2007, 05:26 PM	#7
anatech diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Georgetown, On	Hey Poobah! He's baaaaack! Cool! Great to "see" you, you big fuzzball! How are you doing Rob? -Chris __________________ "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" © my Wife


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3rd July 2007, 10:12 PM	#3
pjpoes diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York	yeah I think I will have to invent a cable company and begin playing the same marketing game. I mean, if you buy their marketing or not is not the point of this, at least typically the stuff they do follows some level of logic. You can say that you can't actually hear the difference between single crystal copper or CCC and regular copper, or even OFC vs regular copper, but at least you know the extra money went to a different process, or at least we hope there is an actual difference. However, to actually be selling a product which only exists as a way to save cost over very long runs while adding load strength, because it actually sounds better, even though we know its an inferior conductor, is just ridiculous. I mean, even looking at silver coated copper, or tin coated copper, there is a pretty big difference in the metal structure of a dipped coating and a die extruded metal.

4th July 2007, 06:23 AM	#6
poobah diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2005	Did I hear sombody say: CABLE???????????

4th July 2007, 07:09 PM	#8
poobah diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2005	Just lurking...

4th July 2007, 08:51 PM	#9
anatech diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Georgetown, On	Feel free! It's really great to see you around. Welcome back! -Chris __________________ "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" © my Wife

5th July 2007, 07:52 AM	#10
Nordic diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2005	Poobah you unfortunate soul.... I am replaying KOTOR 2, and the poor wookies can use almost none of the cool armour...

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