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Old 16th August 2007, 04:46 PM   #121
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marce,

You got it in one. Our amps are really just hoovers and the reason the little signals get stuffed is because our EE's did not know how to make them suck hard enough. Hence little bags of electrons nearby to fill in.

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Old 16th August 2007, 05:33 PM   #122
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Default Additional note...

you might also try connecting the negative terminals (internally) of a multy way speaker that has only one set of external connections.
Regarding the hum issue you might try using cheater plugs to find where the ground loop is in your system.
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Old 16th August 2007, 05:38 PM   #123
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OK - if I'm getting this right and take it to the next level I come out with the giant craters are where the electrons are getting sucked in - volcano's are spewing them out - and hurricanes and typhoons are the result of the thermo dynamic exchange between the two! (well - include a bit of solar activity heating up the oceans)

I'm going back to the YouTube site and watch more video on reverse engineering UFO technology!! I will then get out my worm hole generator and pay you guys a visit!!

Hey Bud - back on subject
If I understand this correctly is not the length of wire in your "electron pool" more or less critical? I seem to remember reading that to long or to short had detrimental effects. I wouldn't think that having to many electrons joining each other in the pool would be a bad thing (i.e. to long of a wire - or to much wire by size etc.). This seems to be getting us into antenna theory perhaps?

Also the type of wire seems to be critical and that seems to be getting into magnetics (one of your specialties). Hmmm -

I need to go out to the garden and ponder this a bit. I'm planting some 40 ga. mag wire out there to see if I can grow some electrons to fill in a small crater I've noticed forming near my electrical ground!


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Old 16th August 2007, 06:59 PM   #124
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I don't know anything about various lengths of wire and electron parking problems. I use six inches of the 140 strand #40AWG insulated magnet wire because a shorter piece, 4 inches, with the same amount of plastic performed it's illegal parking function ....just like the 6 inch piece. Why use less when you can use more?

Really, there does seem to be some vague correlation between amount of fairly slow dielectric (PVC) and length of wire. Back a few pages someone used some zip cord, or something like that, and it made the system sound awful.... and he was rightly surprised that it made any difference.. at all. Then he took off some of the insulation and things got better.

I do use a pretty low dielectric constant material and it has a low threshold value (how much you have to rub it with a wool pad, in one direction, to get it to stick to the wall) It's just heat shrink tubing, the polyethylene variety. I only use three pieces about 0.6 inches long for that 6 inch length.

I would say use the #40 wire you have for mains wiring, create some new craters and leave the naturally forming one alone.

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Old 21st August 2007, 09:20 PM   #125
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Default Just another log for the fire....

There is a simple mod that works well on dynamic drivers. Connect a short jumper wire between the negative terminal of the driver and the drivers chassis. In most caces this can easily be achieved by soldering a jumper wire between the negative terminal connection and the rivit that connects the terminal strip to the chassis. Just check with a meter to make sure that the rivit makes electrical connection to the bare chassis.
This mod would seem to work along the same lines as Bud's electron pool idea. It is easy to do and or undo if you like. There is nothing to make and if you can hear the affect that may encourage those sitting on the fence to try some electron pools as well.
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Old 21st August 2007, 09:55 PM   #126
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The hoover thing makes sense...

imagine something like a ball cut in two halves... you put the halves some distance appart...(I know it should be on poles, but you get math like this too) and through some mechanism, you manage to form an electric arch between these points...

The spark as far as I can see represents everything not at ground in an amp, and is made from electrons filling an area of lesser potential...

On a less serious note I once heard someone describe lights as dark suckers... claiming that this is responsible for matches turning black when the burn, he said lightbulbs etc suck up darkness... If it wasnt posible for the principle used in solar sails which at least determines directionality..., I would not be able to get past his argument...
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Hi Bud,
I've probably missed it somewhere in the thread(s), but have you considered using a capacitor instead of the Litz wire? Seems to me that a capacitor with both terminals connected to ground would achieve a similar result, depending on foil area/dielectric as well. Whaddayarekkin?

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Old 21st August 2007, 11:34 PM   #128
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So, why aren't you trying it out?

I am a little suspicious of the idea, but not entirely. When using the Litz it is pretty clear when you have too much dielectric or too little.

With too little plastic the "character" of the sound never seems to quite settle, it is always swinging between uptight and kind of shrill, almost monaural in it's stage width, to wide stage, lush and warmly neutral.

This is using EnABL'd speakers, which is all I have, so I am not sure what others hear.

When there is too much dielectric material, the sonics go through their swing period, stabilize to the usual wide sound stage and smooth detailed sound and then it just goes dull and clumped sounding and stays that way until you remove some dielectric material.

I would use a low picofarad silver mica or maybe polystyrene and see what comes about. I am unable to measure the capacitance on these Litz pools with my bridge, as it gets unstable below 10 pF and just starts auto ranging. I am not certain that I think the amount of capacitance is as important as having a low dielectric constant and low threshold material for the dielectric is.

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Old 22nd August 2007, 07:39 AM   #129
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What worries me... if the thingy is made from insulated/enameled wire... how does the extra dielectric bands affcet it...? it is not touching the copper?
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Old 22nd August 2007, 07:47 PM   #130
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Nordic,

This is primarily an E Field event support device. Modern electrical field theory has it that there is an E Field, or static event, for every vector change in electrical field propagation.

The electrons that are in an information "packet" cease their current flow activities and "reach out" to the electrons on the ends of any dipole of any dielectric material, near enough to them that their field potential (in simplified terms, + or -) can reorient the electron on the end of the dielectric dipole.

This reorientation also reorients the electron on the other end of the dipole and it will affect electrons near it. This is how you can signal across a dielectric barrier with static charge only signals.

These E Field moments are of course happening all of the time and in between them the electrons captured in the information "packet" flow and create a B Field event, that then produces the other form of information transfer across a dielectric barrier through magnetic coupling.

The E Field and B Field events, in a vacuum, are infinite in range, subject to the usual laws of field strength loss across physical distance.

The E field event has another interesting component, the D Field. The D Field is not modified by dielectric materials, only by distance and is only "stopped" by another charged plate.

The E Field is modified by the dielectric materials it encounters. This modification occurs primarily in three characteristics. In the amount of time to propagate across the distance to another charged plate. In density of electrons per sq cm on those plates. And, in the low level cut off threshold of dipole electrons that are reoriented.

This is the key to using dielectrics to shape an E Field, which then becomes a B Field. It is also the key to preservation, or loss, of low amplitude "information" impressed upon electrons in an information packet, as it proceeds through our amplification and replication systems.

This is the publicly understood information on E Field events, that is then modified and utilized in the Electron Pools.

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