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Old 6th March 2014, 05:40 AM   #21
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Just a comment in general.

The best sound rig can be rendered unlistenable by a poor sound engineer !

I've heard some very mediocre sound systems really come to life in the hands of a good sound man.

For example:
A while ago I attended a smallish concert by some of our local bands.
The sound was terrible .

One of the artists brought his own sound-man (not me). It was as if a heavy curtain had been removed from the speakers and the venue suddenly came to life.

By the way, this was a very reputable brand of equipment.

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Old 6th March 2014, 11:51 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by nigelwright7557 View Post
I couldn't see a PA just Marshall speakers stacked 3 high across the stage.
THE best sounding show I have worked was a 20,000 audience AC/DC concert (mid nineties).
FOH PA was all Meyer active cabinets....I forget how many cabinets, but semi-trailer loads of FR cabinets, and subs.

Backline was 8 Marshall quad boxes per guitarist....all plugged in and working.
Wedges, side fills and drum monitors powered by around 50kW of Amcrons.

I had a yarn with the FOH engineer.....with stage going full tilt and the FOH PA turned OFF, he has measured 125dBA !....this figure was confirmed in a magazine article a month later.
During roadie sound check, one of the guitar roadies stood centre stage and strummed/played some stuff while the foldback engineer got his mix/levels happening.
Then the guitar roadie played a chord, got it to feed, and kept it feeding for the next two minutes or so while he moved over every inch of the stage....impressive.

The concert sound was clean, clear, full range....and huge !.
Despite the concert spl levels, no ear bleeding, no ear ringing, just great, real rock'n'roll.

One week later was a KISS concert.....dummy Marshall amps, and dummy Marshall quad boxes stacked 12 high each side of stage.
Local crew consensus......a mob of tossers.


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Old 6th March 2014, 08:24 PM   #23
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Default Touring band gear

The Eagles have long been a Clair account and thus (unfortunately) use their latest and largest array, the i5. While perhaps on par with some current offerings, the reality is that at present no system comes close to the D&B J-series. The Germans are so far ahead of everyone else across the entire product line that it's not even close. One great advantage of J's is that they are a great deal more forgiving than most arrays in terms of focus, shading, and time alignment. In short, it's much harder to screw them up, while it's quite easy to take a fine PA from L'Acoustics, Meyer, or JBL and mangle it with poor systems engineering. At the end of the day, Clair is a relatively low production proprietary box, and while better than your local clubs home brew, it's this audio professionals opinion that they will never compete with D&B. Ironically I say that while currently carrying a Clair rig on my own tour, but then lowly sound engineers don't often get to make financial decisions. In your case, I'd attribute the shortcomings of the show to failures on the part of the FOH engineer but especially the systems tech in charge of tuning and time alignment. In a club or theatre environment, we generally have to make compromises, but at the production level of the most overrated classic rock band in history, there is really no excuse for not having a high fidelity experience in every seat in the hall.
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Old 7th March 2014, 04:29 AM   #24
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Out of curiosity do you happen to know who the oem suppliers are for D&B?

I know at this level it's more about implementation but it's nice know when daydreaming of a modest home brew p.a. Thanks.
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Old 7th March 2014, 02:15 PM   #25
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They manufacture their own drivers to the best of my knowledge
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Old 7th March 2014, 02:25 PM   #26
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are the D&B guys the same who also founded Faital Pro ?

from what I know, one of the brains behind Faital Pro were a German who later decided to focus on big sound systems instead

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Old 7th March 2014, 02:45 PM   #27
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Doubt it somehow.

D&B was founded in 1981, FaitalPro came into existence in 2006 although Faital has been making speakers since 1958 for domestic and automotive use.
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Old 8th March 2014, 06:00 AM   #28
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Originally Posted by tinitus View Post of the brains behind Faital Pro were a German...
Hmm...wonder if they were an ex BMS employee. Annular diaphragm compression drivers and triple demodulation rings in the woofers are their traits.
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Old 8th March 2014, 07:06 AM   #29
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I think he was already coming from PA before getting involved with driver design
but now I can't find any info at all

btw, yesterday I bought a small 4" array driver
designed to be used in this active/DSP speaker system
weird that a small 4" can be used this way
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Old 8th March 2014, 07:34 AM   #30
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Originally Posted by conanski View Post
That is a popular "set dressing" to feed those ego maniacs on stage..

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Originally Posted by JMFahey View Post

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Hi Victoria !
Here's a fellow ( ?!? ) member from Florence, IT
I'm vegetarian and I suggest you to eat less meat, or not at all.
And go and hear at natural instruments in good auditoriums!


Edit: it should be auditoria, plural
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