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Old 2nd March 2014, 04:34 PM   #11
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and can I ask why ?
Curiosity..

Grew up on JBL, EV and Altec Lansing venues but now they have many other options and I am just curious to hear what others think of the different options..

I don't think I will be able to hear that many different brands so I was asking others for their input.

Especially curious to get opinions of the powersoft stuff in use for gigs if anyone has heard it.
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Old 2nd March 2014, 04:36 PM   #12
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I went to see Status Quo in Carlisle a few years back.
They sounded very good and were using all Marshall equipment.
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Old 2nd March 2014, 05:27 PM   #13
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and can I ask why ?
This is an Internet Audio Forum, isnt it?
A great part of the fun here is writing opinions about audio, acoustics sound, gear, etc.
And this particular question is in the proper section, : PA Systems.


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I went to see Status Quo in Carlisle a few years back.
They sounded very good and were using all Marshall equipment.
Marshall PA equipment?
Must have been around 1970 !!!!
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Old 2nd March 2014, 05:29 PM   #14
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Marshall PA equipment?
Must have been around 1970 !!!!
I couldn't see a PA just Marshall speakers stacked 3 high across the stage.
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Old 2nd March 2014, 05:43 PM   #15
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I couldn't see a PA just Marshall speakers stacked 3 high across the stage.
That is a popular "set dressing" to feed those ego maniacs on stage..

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Old 2nd March 2014, 06:00 PM   #16
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A far more common problem then a missing top octave is top end to rip your head off, generally due to a 'sound engineer' who has been mixing rock bands 'for 30 years' and whos ears are 'fine'....

Any of the top tier gear is fine if deployed correctly in a reasonable room, and all of it will suck if deployed by the hard of thinking.

I have put in Nexo, L'Acoustics, D&B Audiotechnic (Q series is lovely kit), and several others and it all works rather well if employed correctly.

That bass hump may very well be a summation effect, often you get a bass 'power alley' right down the middle of the venue if you just to the two bass stacks thing, and even more so if you do the line of subs right along the front of the stage without setting up amplitude and delay shading to reduce the tendency to form a narrow beam in the far field.

It is possible that the missing top octave could have been a issue with the box covering your seating block, less common in line source hangs but it can occur and is not always spotted during a walkaround the venue during testing, getting truely even coverage in a large venue is **HARD** and a few frequency response 'issues' are not uncommon.


The Quo are well known in the touring circuit for the wall of empty marshall stacks, much appreciated they are a hell of a lot lighter then the real thing.

One thing that is quite common at the top level is to actually have the guitar amp on stage driving a cab in a dressing room or such backstage which is then miced to a wedge on stage, means the guitar amp can be cranked without it bleeding into every open mic on the stage.

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Old 3rd March 2014, 06:33 PM   #17
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True.
I was onstage and backstage at Eddie Van Halen's Tour in Argentina.
He had his half stage filled with a wall of Marshall cabinets.
Old worn real ones, not stage props, but most speakerless and even a few without the back cover.
Although there was a black velvet curtain behind, sometimes you could see some stage hand in a white T shirt behind them, if he got some direct lights on him. Very funny.
Eddie actually hade 3 heads ON, 2 with Standby OFF and he actually used ONE, into ONE 4x12"cab.
The only one which was miked , by the way, and which he approached to increase feedback.
He used the amp as a deluxe distortion pedal, it was miked "dry" (easy to hear that onstage) , effects were added in the mix (specially his trademark Flanger) and sent back to wedges and huge sidefills.
The Bass player had some 12/15 SVT and 8x10"but he also used only one.
*His* "effect", a cheesy guitar synthesizer he used for solos, was onstage.
probably because its use was very simple (he just turned it on/off and used whatever was preset) and he did not need speaker sound like Eddie.

As of Nigel's experience, obviously he "saw" the stage backline.
He didnt notice the huge *flown* PA, many feet overhead.
It might also been on both stage sides (and Subs below it) wrapped in cloth or simply in the dark.

Here's a practical example: my customers, Argentine Rock Band "La Renga" ("The Cripple") playing the Buenos Aires "River Plate" soccer Stadium, 48000 seats.
Not everybody sees the same, depends on light and where you are:

1) back view of the side PA cabinets, while being set up, still uncovered with acoustically transparent grill cloth

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2) same cabinets, (un)seen from the side, hidden by black tarpaulins:

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This is still the early afternoon soundcheck.
Notice the flown sidefills, floor subwoofers and standard wedges.
Which just by themselves do not have "balls".

3) same stage side main cabinets, seen from the public side, hidden by grille cloth.
Also all the space between stage floor and actual hard floor is filled with 2x18" subwoofers.
Cloth hiding them is somewhat thicker, no danger of losing highs

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4) at night, what-the-public-sees.

I bet no one is aware of the actual PA system, although, obviously, sound must come from "somewhere"

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Notice the black "empty" space between illuminated stage and side projection screens.


By day, you can still see their rough shapes.
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Old 3rd March 2014, 08:55 PM   #18
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Default Eagles, Roger Waters, Springsteen and Clapton sound!

These are the shows I've seen and heard the last few years in Vancouver. Eagles sounded fine at the back of arena in the balcony. Clapton was great sounding in the middle of the arena at the bottom of one side. Springsteen was tinny sounding but what a show. Roger Waters was the worst, unbearable and unrecognizable sound on the side mid section and half way down the arena. Makes me wonder why, with all this new technology and arrays. Seems like we got better sound from the old style cabinets of the 60's. Maybe too much technology to handle. But come on!! Roger Waters can't get decent sound except on the floor!!!
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Old 3rd March 2014, 10:55 PM   #19
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Talk to his sound man, he is the one making what you hear. The artists usually never hears the PA.


I used to read an industry mag, I think it was Pro Sound News, see link, and in the back it listed all the big touring acts, and who was the sound contractor and the sound system gear list. so it might tell us HooHah sound was doing some performer tour with a yamaha PM4000 and QSC somethings into EAW whatevers. It was exactly the sort of thing you propose. It may still go on, I haven;t read it in recent years.

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Old 5th March 2014, 06:55 AM   #20
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To the OP:

I'm interested in where you were seated for the show as there is usually a pretty significant boost at 10K. The main PA was 14 deep Clair i5's next to 2 wide 6 deep Clair S4 subs per side. An additional 8 S4's were along the front of the stage as well as a side hang on each side of 6 i5's and 3 S4's. The rear hang was 12 deep Clair i3's. There were delays as well which were 8 deep Clair iDL's. FOH console is a Digico SD5. There is not a bump in the system eq at 60Hz so what you heard may have been a build up related to the room. Can't comment on the mid range sickout but I can tell you there are significant cuts between 160 and 400Hz. There is zero full band compression being used in the mix. A little bit of multi band compression on vocals but that is it. We're talking 2:1 ratios at most. Glad you enjoyed the show.


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